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Post by tundra on Jan 19, 2016 13:36:58 GMT -5
I thought it was very good and a culmination of everything Hickman's written for Marvel. Guess I'm alone. No, I also thought it ended the story well. It just didn't seem to have any consequences beyond a nomenclature change. But then I wasn't expecting any, so was happy just to see an enjoyable conclusion to the story. |
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Post by toxicsooner on Jan 19, 2016 21:38:21 GMT -5
The main reason I didn't like it was the ending because is now we have a build it retcon that means that the history is only relevant when it's convenient. It's lazy story telling and lazy management of great characters and their rich history. I know retcons are part of the books and maybe I'm being dramatic or just burnt out on marvel and DC melodrama, either way I'm done paying for monthly book from either. I'll go pay for image, IDW, boom, and Darkhorse. Maybe I'll give valiant a try,
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Post by BatFonz on Jan 20, 2016 6:26:06 GMT -5
It just left me feeling kinda flat, I think perhaps I was comparing it to the original and how that made teenage me feel when compared to this story and the very slightly older me.
I am very interested in it being a culmination of everything Hickman has done at Marvel, I read the his 1st 2 arcs in Avengers and enjoyed them but still have his FF run on my Do-To list [like a To-Do list but more maniacal] - do those that enjoyed it feel that more Hickman exposure improved the story for them?
I am going to sit down one night this week and read all issues in one sitting, I suspect it will be fairer to judge it under those conditions.
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Post by pacino on Jan 20, 2016 10:40:09 GMT -5
i read secret warriors, FF, Avengers and feel reading this entirely added to the story, especially the FF run. It added layers onto the Doom/Richards stuff, as well as Panther/Namor.
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Post by BarefootRoot on Jan 20, 2016 11:16:23 GMT -5
Siege was another one that really informed the main series and i was glad I read it. Most of the other tie ins I read (a-force, old man logan, runaways, future imperfect, siege and even giant size little marvel to a point) did a great job of informing the world we were playing in and made me want more of that world. Honestly if battleworld had become the new status quo I may still be reading a lot of marvel books  |
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Post by pacino on Jan 20, 2016 11:36:27 GMT -5
What I will never get is when people complain that an event doesn't change the universe enough. SO WHAT?! Don't read then. Move on. Some of us are enjoying the story as is.
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Post by lennyreid on Jan 21, 2016 4:53:41 GMT -5
What I will never get is when people complain that an event doesn't change the universe enough. SO WHAT?! Don't read then. Move on. Some of us are enjoying the story as is. One of the main things I took away from the final issue was the epilogue section dealing with the change of things we love, which I thought Hickman was very smart to include. Kind of a perspective focus for the reader. Stuff changes - the MU, the Fantastic Four, any characters - it doesn't mean they die. Might be a good ethos for a new Marvel Universe, but things probably won't change THAT much. |
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Post by harmonica on Jan 22, 2016 17:49:49 GMT -5
just finished SW as well and i really liked it, there were certainly some storytelling hiccups, like the whole uprising thing which came out of nowhere if you dont read the tie-ins, but i liked the ending very much and really dont understand the "no consequences" part about it i mean Reid is pretty much god now, MM in the 616 universe, Namor dead, a changed doctor doom, what else did people expect? also if they would have changed more people would also be complaining about that, its a nice balance im really excited about where it left off with the Future Foundation in perticular, there are some great stories there would be a shame if that wouldnt get a book. |
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Post by toxicsooner on Jan 28, 2016 22:22:22 GMT -5
What I will never get is when people complain that an event doesn't change the universe enough. SO WHAT?! Don't read then. Move on. Some of us are enjoying the story as is. One of the main things I took away from the final issue was the epilogue section dealing with the change of things we love, which I thought Hickman was very smart to include. Kind of a perspective focus for the reader. Stuff changes - the MU, the Fantastic Four, any characters - it doesn't mean they die. Might be a good ethos for a new Marvel Universe, but things probably won't change THAT much. My issue isn't change, I've always been a big advocate of progressing characters and changing dynamics. My issue is I want to see the progression of change. The whole point of a story is to see the events that lead to the progression or change in a character. For example, Spider-Man. The idea of Peter Parker overcoming the "Parker Luck" and being able to balance being Spider-man and a successful person has always been a cool idea. But, I want the story of events that brought him to that point, not Secret Wars happened and now Reed and Franklin made him Tony Stark. That's boring and quite frankly lazy. |
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Post by lennyreid on Jan 29, 2016 4:38:02 GMT -5
One of the main things I took away from the final issue was the epilogue section dealing with the change of things we love, which I thought Hickman was very smart to include. Kind of a perspective focus for the reader. Stuff changes - the MU, the Fantastic Four, any characters - it doesn't mean they die. Might be a good ethos for a new Marvel Universe, but things probably won't change THAT much. My issue isn't change, I've always been a big advocate of progressing characters and changing dynamics. My issue is I want to see the progression of change. The whole point of a story is to see the events that lead to the progression or change in a character. For example, Spider-Man. The idea of Peter Parker overcoming the "Parker Luck" and being able to balance being Spider-man and a successful person has always been a cool idea. But, I want the story of events that brought him to that point, not Secret Wars happened and now Reed and Franklin made him Tony Stark. That's boring and quite frankly lazy. Absolutely! I expect nothing less than laziness as a rule of thumb from the Big Two but in terms of being affected by the Secret Wars final issue, it was that moment that hit me. Where it leaves everything afterwards isn't a huge deal to me, but I enjoyed Hickman's run here and very much enjoyed Secret Wars. |
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