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Post by jonathansoko on May 30, 2015 11:59:40 GMT -5
I'm trying to keep a positive outlook for secret wars. Convergence at first had me weary. But after finishing it and reading all the minis I bought with it.... in my humbled opinion was fantastic. It was a fun story from beginning to end. It hit all the right spots for me. And without scrutinizing, cursing, and being over analytical towards it.... I found pure enjoyment in it.
That being said, I'm approaching secret wars in a so mad light. Though different, they share a lot in common. So I'm geared up and ready to go with a positive outlook for it. I can't wait to see what's coming.
I too was pessimistic towards it. It was well done, but Hickman literally dragged the avengers and fantastic four through the dirtiest of dirt. He made our heroes do everything BUT act like heroes. My favorite characters were pretty much turned into monsters. He even made me lose a bit of faith in Steve Rogers. And for that, I don't think I can ever fully embrace hickmans avenger work. As a story, it was well done. But I really do not like to see a writer who takes the avengers, and family, and put them in situations that force them to do things that they should never be written doing. This is just my opinion, but i stand by it proudly. I love our marvel universe. But deep down I wish hickmans run never happened. I can't help but wonder... what if all those years ago, instead of Hickman, Waid took over for the long haul. I have a feeling my words would be drastically different.
But the reality is.... this is what were stuck with. I just am focusing on the positives as I read all this. I know change is coming and I really am anxious to see it unfold.
This far my favorite tie in has been the Garth Ennis story, spider verse and a force. I heard a few people curse the spiderverse art, but I think it's beautiful! I'm looking forward to more of that. Planet hulk was a bit much for the, although I thoroughly enjoyed the captain America in it. Today I'm gonna pick up war journal and 2099. I'm actually heading out the door right now to go grab those!
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Post by henrythemorerecent on May 31, 2015 19:39:09 GMT -5
Read Old Man Logan and loved it. As I've said many times, the only Marvel book I've been buying was Ultimate Spider-Man. The only Marvel books on my shelf are Ultimate Spider-Man and Old Man Logan. I will preach the word on Bendis entire Ultimate Spidey run until the day I die. Best, most consistent Spider-Man book every written. But I was super disappointed with Ultimate End. Where I was hoping for a nice swan song wrap up to what was the Ultimate universe, it was pages of 616 Tony Stark arguing with Ultimate Tony Stark. And all wrapped up in Battleworld Secret Wars stuff I'm not reading. The highlight of the Ultimate Universe is it never strayed into crazy big crossover event areas, and when it did it always drove the individual character story forward, never feeling like you had to read the rest. But Old Man Logan felt like that. It felt like a sequel to the original and I only felt a slight hint of Secret Wars without actually knowing for sure or caring because it didn't alter the story.
Not sure how many issues these Battleworld books are going for, but I'm hoping Ultimate End actually starts focusing on its own characters. The fact that I'll never get to see Ultimate May, Gwen, MJ, Ganke again seriously breaks my heart. I just hope Bendis gives them light of day throughout all this Secret Wars hubbub. On the other hand Old Man Logan felt so stand-alone I have no doubt that as it goes on it will include much more Secret Wars story.
Its just a shame. The only reason I ever read Ultimate Spider-Man from the beginning to now was because of Miles Morales and the fact I wanted a kid I know from the Sudan to start reading comics and it was a character he could at least identify with. I fell in love with the book because of this and now its ending with a thud. Just glad DC is bringing out We Are Robin and Cyborg.
I'm being very presumtive but I just have a strong feeling Ultimate End will be the last Marvel book I buy for a long, long time.
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Post by pacino on Jun 10, 2015 7:26:10 GMT -5
Renew Your Vows was really good
Of all the tie-ins I've read, the only one I didn't care for was Inferno. The main series has been terrific. This is my favorite event in a long time and if they finish this thing well, maybe ever.
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Post by therobotmaster on Jun 10, 2015 13:57:58 GMT -5
Renew Your Vows was really good Of all the tie-ins I've read, the only one I didn't care for was Inferno. The main series has been terrific. This is my favorite event in a long time and if they finish this thing well, maybe ever. I completely agree with you on the main series so far. Unfortunately most Marvel events tend to fall apart about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way through, but with Hickman having planned this out so far ahead I'm expecting him to be able to hold it together til its completion. The tie-ins have also been pretty great for the most part. I agree Inferno was pretty shaky, and Ultimate End had a pretty lackluster start, though I think that one just needs a little more time for all the pieces to fall together in it. Even Old Man Logan couldn't quite live up to the hype of it's original series. But some of the others have had great starts, like Planet Hulk, Master of Kung Fu, 2099, A-Force, and your mentioned Renew Your Vows, all setting up interesting settings, and building up the landscape of this strange Battleworld, and I'm excited to see how they all come to interact with, and most likely destroy each other. |
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Post by BarefootRoot on Jul 1, 2015 19:47:00 GMT -5
just finished issue 4. on the preview page for issue 5, is it just me or does that image feature 8 David Hasselhoffs?
I dearly want to believe this foreshadows Jamie Madrox being Doom's ultimate foe, but I know that's not the case. They're just teasing me.
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Post by therobotmaster on Jul 2, 2015 9:22:03 GMT -5
just finished issue 4. on the preview page for issue 5, is it just me or does that image feature 8 David Hasselhoffs? I dearly want to believe this foreshadows Jamie Madrox being Doom's ultimate foe, but I know that's not the case. They're just teasing me. I believe this is the Beyonder. Looks just like he did in the second Secret Wars when he took on a human form, which actually does resemble David Hasselhoff. |
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Post by CaptainSuperior on Jul 2, 2015 21:16:11 GMT -5
Can you guys guess who I am from issue 4 "CRACK!!!"
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Post by jonathansoko on Jul 3, 2015 10:14:27 GMT -5
Im devastated that i can't pick up my books from this week, or next week, untill i get paid next friday. I need to avoid this site and the internet at all costs lol
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Post by pacino on Jul 8, 2015 7:22:03 GMT -5
Book 4 was AMAZING!!!!!
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Post by jonathansoko on Jul 8, 2015 11:03:34 GMT -5
MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN im heading to the shop for the first time in 3 weeks after work today and i cant wait! My co workers and boss are so annoyed by me talking about god emperor doom, while wearing my flash shirt! |
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Post by rgsc on Jul 9, 2015 12:45:53 GMT -5
I am only reading a few of the tie-ins (A-Force, Capt. Marvel & the Carol Corps, Runaways) and I am confused by something which I am hoping one of you who have read more of the titles and/or are more knowledgeable than me can shed some light on:
Do the people on Battleworld have knowledge of their past(s) outside Secret Wars? Or were they brainwashed? My understanding was that certain areas were taken from the various universes and plopped down on BW and subject to the control of Doom (not unlike what happened in Convergence). However, reading some of the titles - the 1st issues of CapM+CC in particular - it sort of seemed from what Carol was saying near the end that they felt they had ALWAYS been under Doom's influence. It was not like they had a prior history where they were autonomous in their own universe. Is that aspect of the World(s) explained in the main title or other books? Did I just misread?
Does that make any sense to anyone? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by BarefootRoot on Jul 9, 2015 14:02:37 GMT -5
I am only reading a few of the tie-ins (A-Force, Capt. Marvel & the Carol Corps, Runaways) and I am confused by something which I am hoping one of you who have read more of the titles and/or are more knowledgeable than me can shed some light on: Do the people on Battleworld have knowledge of their past(s) outside Secret Wars? Or were they brainwashed? My understanding was that certain areas were taken from the various universes and plopped down on BW and subject to the control of Doom (not unlike what happened in Convergence). However, reading some of the titles - the 1st issues of CapM+CC in particular - it sort of seemed from what Carol was saying near the end that they felt they had ALWAYS been under Doom's influence. It was not like they had a prior history where they were autonomous in their own universe. Is that aspect of the World(s) explained in the main title or other books? Did I just misread? Does that make any sense to anyone? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. that's what I have gotten from all the books I have read: the only people who really knew there was a "before doom" were Doom himself, Dr Strange and I assume what's-his-name, Molecule Man(?). the third guy who was there in issue 1. basically it seems like everyone except those who were on the 2 life rafts believe battleworld is how it's always been, which might actually be the case as far as they are concerned. A Futurama scene comes to mind where Bender says he's only 4 years old and everyone is surprised; even though battle world has only existed for like a year, Doom put everything together with some kind of "always been this way" history to it. I imagine otherwise he would be ruling a kingdom of people whose minds were shattered by the idea that they are only 1 year old  |
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Post by rgsc on Jul 9, 2015 14:09:10 GMT -5
that's what I have gotten from all the books I have read: the only people who really knew there was a "before doom" were Doom himself, Dr Strange and I assume what's-his-name, Molecule Man(?). the third guy who was there in issue 1. basically it seems like everyone except those who were on the 2 life rafts believe battleworld is how it's always been, which might actually be the case as far as they are concerned. A Futurama scene comes to mind where Bender says he's only 4 years old and everyone is surprised; even though battle world has only existed for like a year, Doom put everything together with some kind of "always been this way" history to it. I imagine otherwise he would be ruling a kingdom of people whose minds were shattered by the idea that they are only 1 year old Okaaaay. Thanks for confirming that & providing some details on the situation. That makes sense. I probably will go back & read more of the event in trades or on Marvel Unlimited and I imagine it will be a little clearer (or not) but, until then, this give me a better sense of what is happening in the wider universe. Cheers. r. |
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Post by BarefootRoot on Jul 9, 2015 14:40:52 GMT -5
that's what I have gotten from all the books I have read: the only people who really knew there was a "before doom" were Doom himself, Dr Strange and I assume what's-his-name, Molecule Man(?). the third guy who was there in issue 1. basically it seems like everyone except those who were on the 2 life rafts believe battleworld is how it's always been, which might actually be the case as far as they are concerned. A Futurama scene comes to mind where Bender says he's only 4 years old and everyone is surprised; even though battle world has only existed for like a year, Doom put everything together with some kind of "always been this way" history to it. I imagine otherwise he would be ruling a kingdom of people whose minds were shattered by the idea that they are only 1 year old Okaaaay. Thanks for confirming that & providing some details on the situation. That makes sense. I probably will go back & read more of the event in trades or on Marvel Unlimited and I imagine it will be a little clearer (or not) but, until then, this give me a better sense of what is happening in the wider universe. Cheers. r. yeah it's weird. I have actually read way more of this thing than I originally intended and I'm not sure I would have the same grasp on it if I had only read a couple of the tie-ins. the big one is to read the main series as that's where you get the meat of what is actually going on. the tie-ins I have read give you more of a picture of what things are like in different parts of the world and operate in a way that suggests this is the way it has always been, at least in that portion of the world. the one thing that has me confused is that obviously the Barons know there are all these disparate provinces, but the people at ground level (aside from the Thors, I think) don't seem to know there are these other areas where things are different and there may be other versions of themselves running around. Or if they do know it, they don't seem to really acknowledge it. Kind of like (spoilers) Old Man Logan was surprised to find a team of X-Men consisting of all the people he had seen die, including himself... |
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Post by harmonica on Jul 29, 2015 13:36:58 GMT -5
damn i love it how Bendis recaptures the Roadmovie like feel of Old Man Logan
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