Post by henrythemorerecent on Oct 21, 2014 16:26:41 GMT -5
No discussion on Jena Malone playing Carrie Kelley!? How is nobody excited by this (rumour)!?
If it is true (which makes perfect sense going by the movies ties to DKR and also her ties to Snyder) having a female Robin is about the smartest thing they could do. It may seem a shame not to use Dick and Tim and Jason, but all these superhero movies are still lacking are female superheros. So far we have Black Widow..... And yeah. Thats about it. And sure DC are doing Wonder Woman and possibly Harley in Suicide Squad. But Carrie Kelley Robin!? Especially because she was a character played for her street smarts, not sex-appeal like 90% of the other female superheroes in film (all 1 of them).
Tim Drake will always be my favourite Robin but if it means not having another boys club superhero movie, I'd happily accept never seeing him in a movie.
And imagine the cosplay! A costume that doesn't involve skin tight black jumpsuits and heels? Who'd have thought?
I just dont think dc makes movies for me, and that's ok. Watching this most recent trailer I just see more dismal darkness. I know that marvel is putting out age of ultron which looks immensely bleak, but that's one bleak movie out of many, and they came back around right after the big teasers for avengers with a fun trailer for Ant-man to even it out. Plus their heroes don't come off as antiheroes, is there even an actual villain or is this just a grudge match between bruce and Clark? Who do you even root for in this one?
I don't think I'll be seeing this, maybe when they decide to do something that gives the impression of hope and heroism I'll be there.
I saw the trailer. The only thing that popped into my mind was Superman and Batman just got sucked into the world of "Sucker Punch". I'll probably still watch it just out of curiosity but really not digging the look of the film.
Post by henrythemorerecent on Apr 22, 2015 3:13:42 GMT -5
So I'm just gonna resign myself to the fact that I am excited for this movie and have no doubt that I will enjoy it based on how much I loved Man of Steel. This podcast/forum/community is just not interested in it and that's totally fair, understandable and each to their own. Rather than spend my time trying to convince people or understand why people don't enjoy these films I will just personally enjoy them without getting into lengthy discussions about this and that and why its right or wrong and be happy that something I love exists.
But I genuinely, sincerely need to ask and I'm not being snide or snarky; How is it that Daredevil is able to be brutal, dismal, dark, violent and gritty and be acceptable (I have seen ALL of those words used positively in nearly every good comment or review I've read), but a new Batman movie, a character who is absolutely dark and brutal and violent and gritty not to mention said movie is heavily influenced by the exact same writer who influenced the Daredevil series (Frank Miller) as repeatedly stated by the shows creators, but be judged so harshly on a trailer that by all means encapsulates that tone?
Not to mention the fact its called DAWN of Justice, leading towards 2 Justice League films so will without a doubt end with Superman and Batman shaking hands, but not without them butting heads as has happened in the comics countless times.
Great question to get peoples feelings on, and one I'd love to hear the opinions of our favourite Podcast team on.
For me, like most properties I think it comes down to people reading the intent of the creators, and whether they liked their previous work enough to trust them going forward. Its a complicated Venn Diagram of circumstance, but the easy version would be that Marvel laid the ground work with a long series of movies, good creative teams with little to no controversy, and above all, great movies with simple stories for all ages. DC/Warner Bros however have given the reigns to an already controversial and certainly not all-ages director, in that Snyder deals in beautiful-looking, violent, dark, movies with a loose grasp of the themes he's trying to convey, which is a huge deal for the adaptation of a medium that is soaked in tales of morality.
Then there is the David Goyer stuff (She-Hulk/Hulk sex stuff/Anyone that knows of Martian Manhunter is a virgin). This creates a higher bar for DC to reach already for the free publicists on forums and in fandom in general.
My feeling is that Marvel have included comic book professionals, the right people for the right job on their sets, and likeable stars. DC just haven't gone that extra mile and that will cost them. Probably not that much though considering the amount Man Of Steel made.
Regardless, I'll be there on opening night. I'll be damned if I'm taking this era for granted. Who knows when the bubble will burst?
“Don’t kill if you can wound, don’t wound if you can subdue, don’t subdue if you can pacify, and don’t raise your hand at all until you’ve extended it.”
The problem with superman being gritty is that if you make someone with superpowers dark, brutal and not showing restraint he becomes a villain in my book. Nothing wrong with batman being brutal though its pretty much his thing
Post by henrythemorerecent on Apr 24, 2015 18:04:19 GMT -5
Great quote from Henry Cavill when asked by JoBlo why Superman wouldn't finish the fight between him and Batman In 2 seconds: "Well, if Superman were Superman, he wouldn't. And therein lies your answer." Love this guy
Post by henrythemorerecent on May 3, 2015 18:10:10 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone here listens to the Empire Podcast, but they were discussing the teaser and possible tone and story elements of this film. And they as a podcast lean very heavily Marvel and always doubtful of DC, but Helen O'Hara brought up a point that Winter Soldier worked so well because they took an inherently good character (as in a character that is a good person) and put them in a bad/paranoid situation and thats what made it compelling. And from this BvS teaser its very clear the world is in doubt about Superman in a very Dr. Manhattan Watchmen way which, regardless of your thoughts on realistic takes on superheroes, is how the world would react. So as a realistic take on it, it will be interesting to see. No doubt Superman will have learned from his mistakes so to speak from the last story and have moved forward. He was never a bad person though, he just faced difficult situation that could have been handled better.
I've said it before, but I think its a shame film works as slowly as it does because Man of Steel as the beginning to a character learning his place and making mistakes, as say a comic book first issue would play much better because the story will continue and have consequences to actions. But as a film because it takes 2 to 3 years it was viewed as Superman making a mess. The end.
Anyway, something that frustrates me to no end is the throwaway "Superman isn't a good character, he's too powerful" has become so over-used. Granted anyone is allowed to dislike anything they want. But I think its Superman's power that makes him a good, interesting and compelling character. A character with that much power with good intentions. And you know what they say about good intentions. But also how Lex Luthor in the comics as well as no doubt in this film will view him, as a so-called Messiah trying to help people who don't want some alien creature as a savior involving himself in human problems. It's what makes Injustice such a great comic, Red Son, Azzarello's Luthor, Birthright and so on and so on. The character is always the same person, but its the situation they are put in that affects them differently.
As a side note, it is really disheartening to see people making jabs at the Batman armour suit looking like the Lego Batman. I mean I get people don't like these films but thats seriously reaching for insults isn't it? It's not like DKR has been around for 30 years and one of the best known, critically acclaimed Batman books or anything.
Anyway, again this seems like the wrong place to keep defending this film and franchise but I'll remain ever positive and passionate about these films and characters. But as long as their a podium made up of rubble from Metropolis to stand on, I'll pat Zack Snyder on the back. Can't wait for my Justice... to be... Dawned?