Batman Superman Movie

Jul 19, 2015 22:20:04 GMT -5 Bob Reyer said:

Jul 19, 2015 17:52:49 GMT -5 henrythemorerecent said:

Can I ask honestly what the problem with Ma Kent's trailer line is so wrong? To me it sounds exactly like what a mother should say. Clark had no choice in anything that happened to him, sent to Earth, felt like an outsider because of his powers, then gets called out by a madman and tries his best to stop him, obviously the world doesn't agree and is threatened, lots of Christ overtones. He doesn't owe anybody anything. Superman's attitude in the comics has always been help the people help themselves. If they rely to heavily on him they won't learn to stop screwing up so bad. So he doesn't owe mankind anything. He should do what he feels is right, not what he feels he is obligated to do.



And keeping it Affleck related, it reminds me of Good Will Hunting. Just because he's a genius, doens't mean he has to work for some big company and get paid millions. He should do what is best for him and figure it out for himself. Not sit in a tug-of-war between 2 arguing sides. To me the "You have a responsibility to help people" sounds like the Stellan Skarsgard selfish attitude and what Ma is saying is the Robin Williams logical and meaningful attitude.




I'd rather an honest character saying honest things than a "You should save everybody, it's your responsibility." It's a poor lesson for everybody, waiting on a savior rather than helping yourself.

Henry,

I'm speaking only for myself, but perhaps it's a generational thing, as those of us with deep connections to the classic presentation of Superman crave to see more of the altruistic hero of our youths, and so we can't fathom this new version, and that creates the divide between us and those who yearn to see something edgier. 

To each his own, but for me, hearing Martha Kent's line in the trailer, or those admonitions of Jonathan's in "MoS", I'm drawn back to the talk that Glenn Ford as Jonathan gives to young Clark in Richard Donner's "Superman":

"When you came to us, we thought people would come and take you away, when they found out the things that you could do. It worried us a lot. But then, when a man gets older, and he thinks very differently, and things get very clear; and there's one thing I do know, Son, and that is that you are here for a reason. I don't know whose reason, or whatever the reason is...I don't know...but I do know one thing--it's not to score touchdowns."

Or maybe it's the words of his Mother, from back in the first episode of the TV "Adventures of Superman", as Clark is about to take the bus from Smallville to Metropolis:

"You got a great responsibility to the world, Clark. You gotta accept it. Make use of your great powers."

As well as to the concluding page from John Byrne's "Man of Steel" #4, which for me sums up how I perceive the character; due to his being raised on Earth, it is Clark Kent who is the "real person", and "Superman" the adopted identity:

That Man of Steel mini is my number 1 Superman story, followed closely by Birthright. It's funny how we both love the same book for the same reasons and yet have a slightly different view on the character at times. That's people I guess.

But thats something, more than anything, that I love Man of Steel and BvS for doing and thats really igniting my passion for the characters. Since the mixed reviews and many, many, MANY discussions and arguments about it, I haven't spoken more passionately about a character or book or movie in my life.

I was having this conversation today with someone else. Continuity, tone, adhereing to the comics, all of that aside at the end of the day films are a piece of art on their own and (not trying to pull the old DC vs Marvel) I've had more productive, passionate and interesting arguments because of the division Man of Steel and even a 3 minute BvS trailer has caused than any of the Marvel films that, while widley accepted, don't really push buttons and serve more as a spectacle and a treat for fans rather than something to really think about and discuss.

I appreciate there is something with a lighter tone out there and enjoy it for the most part. But I'm tired of the general attitude that every other property not owned by Marvel/Disney should live under their shadow and be constantly compared. And as I've said in the Ant-Man thread, I'm glad that between Ant-Man and Civil War there is a large amount of different films coming out from different creative minds who have different viewpoints and attitudes. There use to be an attitude that "dark" superhero movies were the only good ones. Then Marvel 100% proved that wasn't the case. But now the general attitude is that dark isn't good at all when in fact both can exist and it's better to have variety.

I never thought a Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman film would be the underdog.

Oh well. Until then it's Mission Impossible and Man from U.N.C.L.E and all their spy goodness.

I'm such a huge Batman fan that I just had to produce a Batman Vs Superman piece... I decided to make Superman particularly alien looking thanks to the sun behind him, well Team Batman after all...!!!