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Post by wamphari on Aug 21, 2014 9:00:44 GMT -5
I think the underlying problem here, is that many feel like they are not listened to by society. The media's response the killing of an unarmed kid/man in their neighborhood re-enforces that belief. Many people immediatly side with the officer, and condemn peaceful protesters for a very few bad apples. Also implicit in this story is the incredible militarization of the police force, not just in ferguson, but accross the country.
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Post by lennyreid on Aug 21, 2014 11:38:16 GMT -5
I have absolutely no problem with Bobby's thoughts at the end of the episode and the care that was taken - to isolate the piece and warn listeners that might not want to hear it - was done with respect and class.
The piece was passionate and articulate and contextualized the event with our interests. For those of us that immerse ourselves in comics and super-heroes; morality, judgement, and right-and-wrong, are discussed from all angles and made in to easily digestible stories for us. What we do with those lessons is up to us, but I'd like to think a good portion of readers take what they learn from what they absorb and carry it in to the real world. Not how likely it would be to be able to fund a Batman-style operation, or how awesome it would be to have indestructible bones, but putting yourself in the shoes of someone who has the power to confidently question the world around them when they feel an injustice is being done.
Even a fantastical sense of power can clarify how we truly feel about events, and feed in to how we discuss these things with others. On a level playing field like democracy should be.
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Post by tundra on Aug 21, 2014 16:50:31 GMT -5
I'd just like to say that I appreciated Bobby's thoughts at the end of the podcast. Keeping this separate from the main show was the right thing to do, but I do feel it's entirely appropriate for anyone to speak as their conscience compels them to.
I don't want to comment on the specifics of the situation in Ferguson - not least because I lack both the information and the perspective to do so. But I think that Bobby's comment that we should all care at least as much about the real people around us as we do about fictional characters is one that, whilst on the surface very obvious, is worth reminding ourselves of from time to time.
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Post by wamphari on Aug 21, 2014 18:36:42 GMT -5
I think it's a strong argument for a talking politics podcast...
Bobby?
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Post by sammiecassell on Aug 22, 2014 11:21:20 GMT -5
I appreciate Booby's thoughts at the end of the podcast as well. I think he has the right to speak on his thoughts about this as he sees fit and can use the podcast as such. I like the fact that he put disclaimers in the podcast to let everyone know that he was going to speak on this and they have the right to listen or not to listen. I also appreciate Raider30 doing the exact same thing. I saw no attacking of Bobby in his post, just a concise and articulate counter point of Bobby's opinion. Discussion is what brings on education. My problem is people cannot not seem to discuss without tearing someone else down. Excluding the response ( which feels to me like the only "attack" thus far ) to Raider30's original post,I think everyone has handled it very well.
I do not pretend to know what is going on Ferguson, I do know that "stats" are one of the least trustworthy things around as they can be strewed in the direction you want them to. I do however know lots of police officers, my best friend is one. Militarization of the police could be a problem, however I do agree that they must be allowed to do their job. Hindsight is 20/20, they thought they were doing the right thing in handling the protestors and they may or not have been, but is that for me to decide? Is that for you to decide? The media is the biggest problem to me, and this is where I disagree with Bobby to a large extent. He spoke of the first amendment rights and a comparison between Ferguson and Iraq. From what I've seen, the first amendment has been in full effect. The lawyers, The young man's family (who to their credit have always asked for peace and calm but also the truth (I hope for real)), his friends, people who knew of him, people who saw his face on tv, anything, have had a chance to put their opinion on every tv station, radio channel, newspaper column, website, anywhere they can be heard, and say anything they want with NO consequences what so ever. Again, I'm no expert, but to me, if that happened in Iraq, those crowds would have been opened fire on and no one would have been able to talk to the media. To me that's a huge difference.
I don't know what the answer is, my daughter says I go through life with "white goggles" on. I'm white, I'm southern, I'm middle-aged, I'm male. I'm the stereotype everyone else likes to blame for a lot of the ills. However I didn't do it, my family didn't do it, and we try to do the right thing. My daughters best friends are a gay black male, a male from Trinidad, a female from Pakistan and a straight southern country girl, know what? I love each and every one of those kids like my own. Know what else? We can sit down and discuss and pick at each other about ANY topic (politics, religion, genders, race, sexual,orientation, anything and NOT be offended.
Was the taking of this young man's life right? Taking a life is never right, was it justified? Definitely not for me to say, have the police handled this perfectly? Absolutely not, has the protestors handled it perfectly? No more than the police, is it a scary thing? DEFINITELY!!!!! We can only hope that the real truth is able to come out. If it was unjustified, then punish the policeman to the full extent of the LAW, if it was justified (the policeman was fighting for HIS life), then grieve for this young man's family.
Most everyone's mind is already made up about where they stand on this, & I'm not going to change your mind one way or the other and that is not my intention. But in the end, we cannot make progress without discussion. Just MY two cents
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Post by sammiecassell on Aug 22, 2014 11:22:14 GMT -5
I think it's a strong argument for a talking politics podcast... Bobby? And as for a a Talking Politics podcast? Wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole lol |
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Post by wamphari on Aug 27, 2014 17:00:17 GMT -5
So bobby, think you'll ever read morrison's X-Men?
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Post by tristanchi on Sept 1, 2014 7:20:20 GMT -5
Hi people, I would like to just say that I thought Bobby's section about his feeling about the events in Ferguson and their wider consequences was fantastic. Regardless of your opinion on those events, or indeed Bobby's opinions, it is hard to deny the passion with which he spoke. It was an honest snapshot of his feelings about those events. It displayed courage and an honesty rarely now seen in our brave new world of anonymous sniping and cyber bulling. If we all were brave enough to honestly say how we feel about this world, then maybe, just maybe, we can start a dialogue. One in which we can try to understand each other and work together to try tackle the causes of such distressing events and prevent repetitions in the future.
So well done Bobby & thank you for your honesty.
I am reminded of these wise words.
"They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you... my only son."
"Imagination is the 5th dimension"
Always smile, it makes people nervous.
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Post by angelus104 on Sept 1, 2014 17:10:35 GMT -5
So bobby, think you'll ever read morrison's X-Men? I actually have a large chunk of his run in my collection. I'm going to dive into it after Seven Soldiers. I like to meter our my Morrison because I know one day I will have nothing left to read! |
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Post by pacino on Sept 2, 2014 11:51:33 GMT -5
I don't remember, did you read Animal Man?
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Post by Chapin on Sept 2, 2014 12:19:08 GMT -5
So bobby, think you'll ever read morrison's X-Men? I actually have a large chunk of his run in my collection. I'm going to dive into it after Seven Soldiers. I like to meter our my Morrison because I know one day I will have nothing left to read! I would love to hear your thoughts on 7 Soldiers. Gary |
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Post by zenreader on Sept 2, 2014 15:39:00 GMT -5
Hi Bobby
Love the podcast. I do have to admit though that I've tried several times, but I just can't seem to get into Grant Morrison's style. I've only read All Star Superman, his run on the New 52 Action Comics, and I just read Multiversity , and I hate to admit it, but I didn't care for any of them. I do consider myself somewhat of a deep thinker, but maybe I'm too linear in my thought process for Morrison's stuff. In what I read, I found the dialogue and storytelling to be a bit....odd. I gave Multiversity a shot and it was just too out there for my taste. As a big fan of his, can you recommend anything a tad more straightforward that I can try before I decide that I'm just not a Morrison kind of guy? Thanks.
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Post by angelus104 on Sept 2, 2014 23:01:55 GMT -5
Hi Bobby Love the podcast. I do have to admit though that I've tried several times, but I just can't seem to get into Grant Morrison's style. I've only read All Star Superman, his run on the New 52 Action Comics, and I just read Multiversity , and I hate to admit it, but I didn't care for any of them. I do consider myself somewhat of a deep thinker, but maybe I'm too linear in my thought process for Morrison's stuff. In what I read, I found the dialogue and storytelling to be a bit....odd. I gave Multiversity a shot and it was just too out there for my taste. As a big fan of his, can you recommend anything a tad more straightforward that I can try before I decide that I'm just not a Morrison kind of guy? Thanks. Hey! So, first of all I don't think you not liking Morrison is any kind of measure of your intelligence. He does deal with some crazy big themes and deep thoughts but he also does them in a bizarre non linear way. So, if that kind of thing is not your bag then he may not be for you. But there are a few more straightforward things I can suggest you. His entire Batman run that began with Batman and Son has it's oddness (especially RIP) but is a much more traditional run on the character than you'd ever expect from him. It's how I grew to love him so it might hit for you too. I can also highly recommend JLA: Earth - 2 and his previous Justice League run! I will say that it's okay to not like his work. His style is very particular and it can be extremely off putting. The reason I love him is he knows every moment of every character's entire history but he will dare to take them places they've never been. That doesn't always equal great things but it's always interesting and that's what I'm always hoping for. I'm actually surprised you didn't enjoy All-Star Superman. What was it about that story that didn't hit for you? |
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Post by zenreader on Sept 4, 2014 15:46:27 GMT -5
Thanks Bobby! Morrison definitely knows his history. I will have to look into his Batman run for sure and possibly the Justice League. I don't know much DC before the New 52 and the only pre 52 Batman I've read is Frank Miller's stuff. Truthfully, All Star Superman started off pretty well for me. Frank Quitely's style was different and I enjoyed the art overall. I think the story just got a little more "Morrison strange" as it went along and I lost interest. I still haven't read the end of it. Just as an aside. since you were all talking about some cancelled books by Marvel on the (awesome) podcast; I've really gotten into Iron Fist: The Living Weapon by Kaare Andrews on story and art. I've never paid any attention to Iron Fist in the past, but his art style is so striking that it grabbed my attention. Crossing my fingers that it stays off the chopping block  |
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Post by Cam on Sept 6, 2014 14:11:50 GMT -5
Hey Bobby. Fan of the show. Can you guys/gal talk about the Quinspiracy/Gamergate controversy that is going on. Really would love to hear you guys reactions/thoughts.
I know its not about comic books, but the issues/discussions about equality/diversity/journalism that video games deal with seem to parallel comic books, and those two worlds seem to bump into each other and react to each other anyway.
Thanks for your time.
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