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Post by sammiecassell on Jul 16, 2014 23:01:12 GMT -5
I feel like this has probably been covered in an early episode & I just missed it, but what is the break music? Funny how we go back to that old 8-bit sounding stuff lol
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Post by angelus104 on Aug 17, 2014 23:21:29 GMT -5
I feel like this has probably been covered in an early episode & I just missed it, but what is the break music? Funny how we go back to that old 8-bit sounding stuff lol Sammie it's actually a royalty free bit of music from a group called Nappotronic. Was hunting down music for the break and it just struck me. Thinking about giving it a change over though...maybe when we hit 150!
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Post by angelus104 on Aug 17, 2014 23:22:13 GMT -5
Hi Bobby, I just wanted to say that I really enjoy the podcast. I look forward to listening to it every Wednesday and really the appreciate the intelligent and enthusiastic discussions. I live in the great frozen north where there isn't much of a geek community but listening to you guys makes me feel like I belong to something special. Thank you for the good work and I look forward to the next episode. Thank you so much. Means the world to me to hear things like this. What comics are you loving?
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Post by pacino on Aug 20, 2014 11:13:22 GMT -5
Bobby, thanks for your words at the end of this past week's podcast.
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Post by wamphari on Aug 20, 2014 11:42:59 GMT -5
Hey I know stephanie said she was going to baltimore comic con, are you?
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Post by angelus104 on Aug 20, 2014 12:17:03 GMT -5
Hey I know stephanie said she was going to baltimore comic con, are you? Unfortunately I can't. My job doesn't allow me to travel on too many weekends and with my wedding come up I need all the spare time I can! But I want to start going to more cons and Baltimore is so close it is near the top of that list.
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Post by angelus104 on Aug 20, 2014 12:17:39 GMT -5
Bobby, thanks for your words at the end of this past week's podcast. Thank you for listening. It meant a lot to me and it feels good to have people respond to it.
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Post by Raider30 on Aug 20, 2014 21:12:43 GMT -5
Bobby, thanks for your words at the end of this past week's podcast. Thank you for listening. It meant a lot to me and it feels good to have people respond to it. I'm struggling with how to respond to your diatribe in the last 15 minutes of the show. You start off by saying you aren't judging and then you proceed to state Brown was "murdered" and that a "crime was committed." Call me crazy but that sure sounds like judging to me. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Never mind, we all know that doesn't apply to the police, or anyone else people choose to demonize. You bellow that people should not remain ignorant of the situation, yet you lambaste the police for not releasing information, but you clearly have no idea how an investigation works. Do you have any idea of how long it takes to get statements from witnesses, family members, passersby who might not want to be involved, the 'accused', etc? Reports on autopsies, ballistics, crime scene recreation? Do you have any idea what happens to mental recall in the moments after an incident? PTSD? All while being under a ridiculously sound bite hungry media, who runs to every person who has ever known the 'victim' so they can say "he was a good boy, he'd never do anything wrong." Yeah, in the first days it's always the family of the 'victim' who get to tell their side of the story and paint a nice rosy picture of their loved one. Meanwhile, the police have to do the right thing and try to gather the FACTS, not sound bites, while people like you complain they aren't moving fast enough. Not to mention the long running legal ramifications for something like this. But hey, let's all rush to judgment. You rail against America for sitting by and doing nothing. I say maybe America has finally(hopefully) learned that there are often two sides to every story(Trayvon Martin, the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal, Tawana Brawley, etc.) and maybe people should give the truth a chance to come out. You rail against the police for their heavy handedness, but when was the last time you took a bottle to the head? You say it's just a few looters and troublemakers who are spoiling the protests for everyone. I agree, it is. But what do the protesters do to stop it? Do they clear the street so the police can deal with the bad apples, you know the ones who are looting and burning stores of PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG, or do they allow it to happen? You and I both know the answer to that. You claim the police should be there to uphold the rights and protect people. Ask those people who's livelihood was looted how they feel about having a curfew to prevent violence and looting. Don't they deserve protection too? You make the ridiculous statement about Ferguson looking like Iraq. Really? REALLY? Do you really believe that? Take a look at what's happening in Iraq right now. When was the last time an American police officer drug someone out of their home and cut their head off? You think there is any comparison to what is happening in the middle east compared to what happens in our country? I don't know you, and I don't know your life experiences but I'm willing to bet you've never been in the situation Wilson was in, nor the one of an officer facing down an angry mob of people, nor having to worry if the guy attacking you is trying to get away, trying to get your gun, or trying to beat you to death. Wondering how many times you can get hit before you go unconscious. Wondering where the gunfire is coming from when there is a wall of people in front of you and it could be from anywhere. See the sad fact of life, and it is a sad, sad fact, is that there are some people in this world who will only do what you can make them do. No amount of asking, no amount of threatening or appealing to their better side works. If they are of a mind to do something and you can't stop them, too bad for you. Those, by and large, are the people police officers face on a daily basis. At 6'4" and 300lbs, Brown had the capacity to be one of those people - or didn't you see the video of the robbery of the cigars at the gas station? Happen to see the news today showing an x-ray of a fractured eye socket of the officer? Tell me, if it comes out that Wilson was justified in shooting Brown how much of your bully pulpit will you dedicate to apologizing to Wilson and supporting police officers in general? On a final note - I appreciate you noting at the beginning of the podcast that you were going to save your remarks for the end of the podcast. That was a nice warning. - Beau
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Post by Raider30 on Aug 20, 2014 21:36:19 GMT -5
Oh, also, please don't interpret the above post to mean that I am ignorant to the realities of human behavior and police officers. I am fully aware there have been and currently are police who abuse their the authority granted to them. It happens, not as often as people think, but it happens. Sometimes it's malicious, sometimes it's just ignorance. But in no way is it representative of an entire group of people.
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Post by Switzerland on Aug 20, 2014 21:54:09 GMT -5
Thank you for listening. It meant a lot to me and it feels good to have people respond to it. I'm struggling with how to respond to your diatribe in the last 15 minutes of the show. You start off by saying you aren't judging and then you proceed to state Brown was "murdered" and that a "crime was committed." Call me crazy but that sure sounds like judging to me. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Never mind, we all know that doesn't apply to the police, or anyone else people choose to demonize. You bellow that people should not remain ignorant of the situation, yet you lambaste the police for not releasing information, but you clearly have no idea how an investigation works. Do you have any idea of how long it takes to get statements from witnesses, family members, passersby who might not want to be involved, the 'accused', etc? Reports on autopsies, ballistics, crime scene recreation? Do you have any idea what happens to mental recall in the moments after an incident? PTSD? All while being under a ridiculously sound bite hungry media, who runs to every person who has ever known the 'victim' so they can say "he was a good boy, he'd never do anything wrong." Yeah, in the first days it's always the family of the 'victim' who get to tell their side of the story and paint a nice rosy picture of their loved one. Meanwhile, the police have to do the right thing and try to gather the FACTS, not sound bites, while people like you complain they aren't moving fast enough. Not to mention the long running legal ramifications for something like this. But hey, let's all rush to judgment. You rail against America for sitting by and doing nothing. I say maybe America has finally(hopefully) learned that there are often two sides to every story(Trayvon Martin, the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal, Tawana Brawley, etc.) and maybe people should give the truth a chance to come out. You rail against the police for their heavy handedness, but when was the last time you took a bottle to the head? You say it's just a few looters and troublemakers who are spoiling the protests for everyone. I agree, it is. But what do the protesters do to stop it? Do they clear the street so the police can deal with the bad apples, you know the ones who are looting and burning stores of PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG, or do they allow it to happen? You and I both know the answer to that. You claim the police should be there to uphold the rights and protect people. Ask those people who's livelihood was looted how they feel about having a curfew to prevent violence and looting. Don't they deserve protection too? You make the ridiculous statement about Ferguson looking like Iraq. Really? REALLY? Do you really believe that? Take a look at what's happening in Iraq right now. When was the last time an American police officer drug someone out of their home and cut their head off? You think there is any comparison to what is happening in the middle east compared to what happens in our country? I don't know you, and I don't know your life experiences but I'm willing to bet you've never been in the situation Wilson was in, nor the one of an officer facing down an angry mob of people, nor having to worry if the guy attacking you is trying to get away, trying to get your gun, or trying to beat you to death. Wondering how many times you can get hit before you go unconscious. Wondering where the gunfire is coming from when there is a wall of people in front of you and it could be from anywhere. See the sad fact of life, and it is a sad, sad fact, is that there are some people in this world who will only do what you can make them do. No amount of asking, no amount of threatening or appealing to their better side works. If they are of a mind to do something and you can't stop them, too bad for you. Those, by and large, are the people police officers face on a daily basis. At 6'4" and 300lbs, Brown had the capacity to be one of those people - or didn't you see the video of the robbery of the cigars at the gas station? Happen to see the news today showing an x-ray of a fractured eye socket of the officer? Tell me, if it comes out that Wilson was justified in shooting Brown how much of your bully pulpit will you dedicate to apologizing to Wilson and supporting police officers in general? On a final note - I appreciate you noting at the beginning of the podcast that you were going to save your remarks for the end of the podcast. That was a nice warning. - Beau Can I be the first so say this needs to end here? As you said, Bobby gave a warning. He gave multiple warnings. And if you followed him on Twitter you would already know his stance on this event. So to then listen anyway so as to come back with this, regardless of anybodies opinion, is completely unwarranted. But on the flipside, this is a comics podcast. A comics forum. Personal views on such things should be kept seperate no matter how many warnings you give. And now, in the span of a few hours, this forum has now become the thing it managed to stay so far away from being: Like every other, argumenative, overly-opinionated forum on the internet. I KNOW full well people on here must get annoyed at things people on the podcast say about comics alone. And on the foum. But there has always been this unspoken rule that, yes, people have different opinions. So lets respect that and keep things civil. And now we're one step away from a Youtube comments section. If you disagree with eachother, do it personally, don't take advantage of the fact there are people here who will read your comments. Keyboard warriors. Safe in anonymity. Bullies are fine in crowd because the attention is on them. And I have no say in who does what in this forum, but Bobby you should know better than to take advantage of your position as a podcast host to do somthing like this, just like Beau shouldn't sit behind the safety of his computer sending something like this. Take it outside.
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Post by Raider30 on Aug 21, 2014 6:46:53 GMT -5
I'm struggling with how to respond to your diatribe in the last 15 minutes of the show. You start off by saying you aren't judging and then you proceed to state Brown was "murdered" and that a "crime was committed." Call me crazy but that sure sounds like judging to me. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Never mind, we all know that doesn't apply to the police, or anyone else people choose to demonize. You bellow that people should not remain ignorant of the situation, yet you lambaste the police for not releasing information, but you clearly have no idea how an investigation works. Do you have any idea of how long it takes to get statements from witnesses, family members, passersby who might not want to be involved, the 'accused', etc? Reports on autopsies, ballistics, crime scene recreation? Do you have any idea what happens to mental recall in the moments after an incident? PTSD? All while being under a ridiculously sound bite hungry media, who runs to every person who has ever known the 'victim' so they can say "he was a good boy, he'd never do anything wrong." Yeah, in the first days it's always the family of the 'victim' who get to tell their side of the story and paint a nice rosy picture of their loved one. Meanwhile, the police have to do the right thing and try to gather the FACTS, not sound bites, while people like you complain they aren't moving fast enough. Not to mention the long running legal ramifications for something like this. But hey, let's all rush to judgment. You rail against America for sitting by and doing nothing. I say maybe America has finally(hopefully) learned that there are often two sides to every story(Trayvon Martin, the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal, Tawana Brawley, etc.) and maybe people should give the truth a chance to come out. You rail against the police for their heavy handedness, but when was the last time you took a bottle to the head? You say it's just a few looters and troublemakers who are spoiling the protests for everyone. I agree, it is. But what do the protesters do to stop it? Do they clear the street so the police can deal with the bad apples, you know the ones who are looting and burning stores of PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG, or do they allow it to happen? You and I both know the answer to that. You claim the police should be there to uphold the rights and protect people. Ask those people who's livelihood was looted how they feel about having a curfew to prevent violence and looting. Don't they deserve protection too? You make the ridiculous statement about Ferguson looking like Iraq. Really? REALLY? Do you really believe that? Take a look at what's happening in Iraq right now. When was the last time an American police officer drug someone out of their home and cut their head off? You think there is any comparison to what is happening in the middle east compared to what happens in our country? I don't know you, and I don't know your life experiences but I'm willing to bet you've never been in the situation Wilson was in, nor the one of an officer facing down an angry mob of people, nor having to worry if the guy attacking you is trying to get away, trying to get your gun, or trying to beat you to death. Wondering how many times you can get hit before you go unconscious. Wondering where the gunfire is coming from when there is a wall of people in front of you and it could be from anywhere. See the sad fact of life, and it is a sad, sad fact, is that there are some people in this world who will only do what you can make them do. No amount of asking, no amount of threatening or appealing to their better side works. If they are of a mind to do something and you can't stop them, too bad for you. Those, by and large, are the people police officers face on a daily basis. At 6'4" and 300lbs, Brown had the capacity to be one of those people - or didn't you see the video of the robbery of the cigars at the gas station? Happen to see the news today showing an x-ray of a fractured eye socket of the officer? Tell me, if it comes out that Wilson was justified in shooting Brown how much of your bully pulpit will you dedicate to apologizing to Wilson and supporting police officers in general? On a final note - I appreciate you noting at the beginning of the podcast that you were going to save your remarks for the end of the podcast. That was a nice warning. - Beau Can I be the first so say this needs to end here? As you said, Bobby gave a warning. He gave multiple warnings. And if you followed him on Twitter you would already know his stance on this event. So to then listen anyway so as to come back with this, regardless of anybodies opinion, is completely unwarranted. But on the flipside, this is a comics podcast. A comics forum. Personal views on such things should be kept seperate no matter how many warnings you give. And now, in the span of a few hours, this forum has now become the thing it managed to stay so far away from being: Like every other, argumenative, overly-opinionated forum on the internet. I KNOW full well people on here must get annoyed at things people on the podcast say about comics alone. And on the foum. But there has always been this unspoken rule that, yes, people have different opinions. So lets respect that and keep things civil. And now we're one step away from a Youtube comments section. If you disagree with eachother, do it personally, don't take advantage of the fact there are people here who will read your comments. Keyboard warriors. Safe in anonymity. Bullies are fine in crowd because the attention is on them. And I have no say in who does what in this forum, but Bobby you should know better than to take advantage of your position as a podcast host to do somthing like this, just like Beau shouldn't sit behind the safety of his computer sending something like this. Take it outside. Just a couple of quick things: Bobby felt an obligation to speak out at the end of the podcast. I felt an obligation to listen to it and then respond. If Bobby didn't want or expect a response he wouldn't have spoke out. Also please note my response to him was in his own thread not a comics thread so as to avoid any confusion. Obviously I disagree with a lot of what Bobby had to say, and to a certain extent the sentiment behind it. But that's also why I listened to it. I believe that you have to listen to things even if you don't agree with them otherwise we all just walk around with our fingers in our ears and nobody will ever learn from each other. When I listen to something I'm not sure I will agree with it does a few of things. 1) I may just learn something I didnt know before. 2) this may cause me to reevaluate me own position on an issue, and 3) it may help me to flesh out my own already established thoughts on an issue. All of these IMO are good things. To be fair I mentioned before that I thought using the podcast as a means to voice personal opinions about world events was not a good idea, that it would invite discussion of topics where people have a hard time keeping their cool. But since the topic was brought up on the podcast I see it as fair game for discussion. One more thing - your characterization of me is unfair. I realize you don't know me but I'm hardly a "keyboard warrior". There is nothing that I would write that I wouldn't say in a face to face discussion. In fact, its nearly always better to discuss these things face to face because there are just so, so many levels to a discussion of this nature and its hard when typing up a post to touch on everything or ask for clarification of someone else's comment. If I think a statement is ridiculous or overblown I will say so, but that doesn't mean I have a personal animosity towards the person who uttered it. I may characterize the delivery of a statement as overly theatrical but I'm not going to say the person behind the statement is a jackass. - Beau
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Post by wamphari on Aug 21, 2014 6:52:21 GMT -5
First off I'd like to thank bobby for saying what he did, it takes guts to risk alienating members of your audience to say something right. First to raider 30: No one said the officer who shot the unarmed black teenager should be carted off to jail tomorrow. What people are asking is that the man be investigated in the same manner that they would investigate a black teenager who shot a cop, so your use of innocent until proven guilty is somewhat confusing. Now if you are saying that no one should have opinions about the case until the verdict has come out then you have lost me. Debate about current issues, including when police shoot unarmed black teenagers, is not just allowed, it's vital for the fuctioning of democracy. My views on this particular case are shaped by previous events in this town (an inoccent black man beaten in his cell by police, one of whom now serves on the city council) are that the police have less credibility. I further suspect that if a black teenager shot an unarmed cop in the head in your home town, you would be preaching for people to simply be silent and wait for the results of the case. I immedietly suspect anyone who calls for silence in the face of extrodinary events. What we need is less silence, more voices, more debate, more eyes on the scene. On a further note you say that it's rediculous that bobby compares the scene in Fergeson to Iraq, well first off it's a device called a metaphor, he was also not implying that the people on the ground spoke arabic. Secondly I spent one year in Iraq, yeah it's really hot, and I would say it's an apt metaphor at least on the small scale. One further thing of note, our ROE (rules of egagement) on the gound in Iraq where more restrictive than are the police in Ferguson. A police officer on a turret in pointed an automatic weapon at a crowd of peaceful protesters.
Sorry to get a little heavy but these events are important. Overmilitarization of the police force is a significant problem. For those who say this type of thing shpouldn't be talked about in a comic book forum I would say comic books deal with issues like this all the time, maybe it's time we as fans caught up with them.
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Post by Raider30 on Aug 21, 2014 8:18:35 GMT -5
First off I'd like to thank bobby for saying what he did, it takes guts to risk alienating members of your audience to say something right. First to raider 30: No one said the officer who shot the unarmed black teenager should be carted off to jail tomorrow. What people are asking is that the man be investigated in the same manner that they would investigate a black teenager who shot a cop, so your use of innocent until proven guilty is somewhat confusing. Now if you are saying that no one should have opinions about the case until the verdict has come out then you have lost me. Debate about current issues, including when police shoot unarmed black teenagers, is not just allowed, it's vital for the fuctioning of democracy. My views on this particular case are shaped by previous events in this town (an inoccent black man beaten in his cell by police, one of whom now serves on the city council) are that the police have less credibility. I further suspect that if a black teenager shot an unarmed cop in the head in your home town, you would be preaching for people to simply be silent and wait for the results of the case. I immedietly suspect anyone who calls for silence in the face of extrodinary events. What we need is less silence, more voices, more debate, more eyes on the scene. On a further note you say that it's rediculous that bobby compares the scene in Fergeson to Iraq, well first off it's a device called a metaphor, he was also not implying that the people on the ground spoke arabic. Secondly I spent one year in Iraq, yeah it's really hot, and I would say it's an apt metaphor at least on the small scale. One further thing of note, our ROE (rules of egagement) on the gound in Iraq where more restrictive than are the police in Ferguson. A police officer on a turret in pointed an automatic weapon at a crowd of peaceful protesters. Sorry to get a little heavy but these events are important. Overmilitarization of the police force is a significant problem. For those who say this type of thing shpouldn't be talked about in a comic book forum I would say comic books deal with issues like this all the time, maybe it's time we as fans caught up with them. Protesters carrying signs saying "arrest Wilson", suggesting Wilson be charged, labeling the event a "murder", etc...these are exactly the signs of people who have already judged the situation based on the relatively limited amount of information available. That's kind of the point. People are not asking for the same type of investigation as you say, they are demanding results now, demanding reports now, demanding answers now. The problem is these things are often not resolved quickly. Innocent until proven guilty was a poor choice of words on my part. A more correct phrase would have been due process. The police are between a rock and a hard place. If they release preliminary information everyone treats it as the word of God, then when the investigation proceeds and something changes as it inevitably will, the charges of a coverup will begin to fly. If they don't release information until a more complete picture is drawn the charges of coverup will begin to fly. People protesting, reporters looking for a sound bite, lawyers looking for a settlement, plus the usual assortment of people who insert themselves into incidents like this - none of this helps get to the bottom of what happened. Plus you have the issue of wording and how words frame the debate and lead readers to a conclusion. I've already mentioned "murder" for instance. But also you will notice that in the vast majority of reports Brown is repeatedly referred to as a "unarmed black teenager." Technically all true but when repeated again and again with the phrase "white police officer shoots" placed in front of it suddenly there is a whole new and sinister connotation evolving. In the last couple of weeks there have been several shootings of unarmed white males by police officers, both black and white, but where are the protesters, the media, the general outcry? I'm not unfamiliar with metaphors but I'm still of the opinion that comparing pretty much anything that goes on in America to the barbarism, lawlessness, and general horrible living conditions the people in Iraq are going through is more about hyperbole and emotional reaction than calm and reasoned discussion. That being said there no doubt that in hindsight the police likely could/should have taken a different approach to crowd control during the early stages of the protests. But police dressed in riot gear should also not justify Molotov cocktails, bottles, shots fired, violence and looting by people. Unfortunately, again rock and a hard place for the police. Show up prepared for something bad to happen and you are accused of inciting people, don't show up prepared and when something bad happens you are blamed for not stopping the violence/looting. I am not in the least bit suggesting you(general sense) shouldn't form an opinion. But surely you'd agree that forming an opinion without waiting for all the information to become available is the equivalent of starting to build a house without the plans. Sure it might look good initially and you might feel good about getting started but how solidly built is it in the long run? - Beau
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Post by pacino on Aug 21, 2014 8:34:07 GMT -5
some food for thought: Something's rotten in Ferguson. Something's rotten in the United States, and has been since it's existence. Freedom for all is something we need to continually attempt to practice. It isn't just something that exists on its own.
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Post by angelus104 on Aug 21, 2014 8:55:08 GMT -5
I want to start off by saying to you guys and that's all of you. Thank you for being invested enough to respond in anyway. If you have criticisms of what I said or how I said it I welcome them openly.
Just please try to keep it civil and constructive. We should rejoice in our disagreements and not let them divide us.
I don't care really how much you bad mouth me just be kind to one another or I have to moderate.
I believe in what I said. I feel very strongly about it and my conscious would not let me stay silent. If I offended you it certainly was not my intent but I'm not sorry for doing what I did.
Know that I love all of you and meant this as a call for all us to be more aware of what happens in our world.
Thank you for being listeners and readers.
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