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Post by Huw on Oct 15, 2014 15:50:32 GMT -5
Issue #155: NYCC 2014 Recap and Civil War
Podcast Stream Download Directly From iTunes Feedburner Link
We recap all the remaining days of NYCC from the show floor and the studio. Justin, Huw, Rob and special guest Melissa talk Age of Ultron footage, Spider-Gwen, Snyder, Capullo, Kelly Sue and much much more.
Then the crew gets together to recap their favorite stories from the con, the big Civil War news and Wonder Woman’s origins. They also discuss their books of the week which include Wytches, Birthright, Batgirl, Batman, Sabrina and the Arrow premiere.
Annnnnnnnnnd… we say it on the show, but just in case you missed it, the Talking Comics crew on Twitter are:
Bobby: @bobbyshortle
Stephanie: hellocookie
Steve: @dead_anchoress
And Bob’s email is bobreyer@talkingcomicbooks.com
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Post by Joe Tramonte on Oct 16, 2014 7:29:20 GMT -5
On the whole batgirl discussion, In one comic she showed her detective skills, her age, and got rejected on multiple levels (college grant money).
Its official I don't just love this character I want to go have a beer with her.
The way she overcame the villain in this book might be the most "detective" thing she has done in recent memory. |
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Post by John D. on Oct 16, 2014 8:35:58 GMT -5
On the whole batgirl discussion, In one comic she showed her detective skills, her age, and got rejected on multiple levels (college grant money).
Its official I don't just love this character I want to go have a beer with her.
The way she overcame the villain in this book might be the most "detective" thing she has done in recent memory. Agreed. Taking down the villain like that was pretty awesome and just another way this book set itself apart from other Bat-books on the stands right now. I think a lot of the hubbub that is stemming from Batgirl right now is due in large part to the readership of the book. This is a book designed and written for 20-something females and I would imagine most people picking up Batgirl prior to this are not that. I know I'm not. But it's important to understand that's the demographic that DC is trying to reach for this book and complaining that it's not "your Batgirl" is a silly argument. You don't own Batgirl. Batgirl owns Batgirl. She's a college student who is going to act like a college student. |
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Post by pacino on Oct 16, 2014 8:50:23 GMT -5
People can certainly say it's not their whatever. That's just code for 'I don't like this run and how they're being written or portrayed'. Even Bob has said on the show what was 'his' Fantastic Four
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Post by goodeeveening on Oct 16, 2014 16:40:27 GMT -5
I am SO excited for the Spider-Gwen series. I picked up the issue on a whim, it was the first Spider-Man related book I had ever read and I loved it.
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Post by joroak on Oct 16, 2014 17:58:43 GMT -5
I am SO excited for the Spider-Gwen series. I picked up the issue on a whim, it was the first Spider-Man related book I had ever read and I loved it. What an amazing place to jump in. Let us know how you like it! |
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Post by Czor on Oct 16, 2014 19:34:36 GMT -5
Despite the large amount of people, I loved this year's NYCC. It was the best for me yet, and I was so happy to meet the DeFraction clan!
I'm excited for Spider-Gwen and Silk and will be picking up both of them....also Jeff Lemiere on Hawkeye will be interesting. And finally I hopefully can join the Talking Comics gathering next year as the after party I went on Saturday wasn't really for me and ended up going home earlier than planned.
Ohhh and Wytches is just such a good book!!!
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Post by battyfordc on Oct 17, 2014 1:30:21 GMT -5
On the whole Batgirl issue while I'm not a fan of this issue at all (i just couldn't wrap my head around the way her speech changed in one issue and the art just wasn't for me, i'm used to the style we have gotten over the last 3 years and this new style is just too different but that's just me but i gave it a go which is more then i thought i'd do) I'm not about to crap on anyone who is. It's hard to understand some of the stupid comments i've seen on the twitter and like. I agree that i think most of the hate comes from the current readership which i have to imagine is not the target audience that this book wants to reach. Personally i'm fine with the new direction (now i wasn't for ages but that was before the announcements of Gail's new series and Gail's twitter trolling) it's not for me at all but it's something new and different from DC so that's good they need to diversify....just not too much. They probably could of saved themselves some heartache is they simply renumbered this and slapped an New in front of the Batgirl much like they did with suicide squad. It's hard to be upset too much when we gain 2 new Gail titles Secret Six and Clean Room (Vertigo) seems like an awesome trade to me.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Oct 17, 2014 6:06:25 GMT -5
People can certainly say it's not their whatever. That's just code for 'I don't like this run and how they're being written or portrayed'. Even Bob has said on the show what was 'his' Fantastic Four Chris, While I often adopt "ownership" of characters in the way you describe, it is almost universally attached to the original run of a title, or subsequent writers and artists who bring their own take to the material whilst maintaining the creator's vision and upholding the characters' core values. Certainly, John Byrne told his own stories and the characters experienced growth, but his Fantastic Four was clearly cut from the Stan Lee/Jack Kirby cloth. This isn't to say that our own personal tastes are "wrong" if we choose to enjoy a version of a character that doesn't hew to the core, as one should only buy what one enjoys, but I think it's important to recognize what slice of a property's history is the most on-model. To something that takes in a little of everything, due to the New 52 re-launch, there are readers whose only history with some of these characters is through these most recent books, and they will be the most affected by this new direction on Batgirl, which might be the cause of some of the angst relating to it. As I've said on-air many times, I'm sure that DC doesn't want to lose the new readers they swapped in for the alter cockers such as me that they lost to their darker atmosphere, so why not add the "Old 13" or however many titles it would take to have a sub-line where they could tell stories in a more varied tone, and where their iconic characters behave and interact in a manner more beholden to their long histories? Just a thought, Bob |
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Post by pacino on Oct 17, 2014 7:12:33 GMT -5
I would love if they did that, but they would probably counter by talking in corporate speak about 'brand confusion'. I can certainly see that someone coming in and picking up a random book off the shelf could be confused by two universes, but Marvel was able to do it successfully for years with the Ultimate line (until it finally crumbled).
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Post by jorge on Oct 17, 2014 8:46:26 GMT -5
I am SO excited for the Spider-Gwen series. I picked up the issue on a whim, it was the first Spider-Man related book I had ever read and I loved it. What an amazing place to jump in. Let us know how you like it! Neat. You might enjoy the original Ultimate Spider-man as well. Outside of Avengers, I hadn't read any Spidey since the end on the first Ultimate volume. I picked up all of the Edge of Spiderverse and have been extremely impressed. I'm a sucker for What if?/Else world type stories. The Gwen book is just exciting and I can't wait for the ongoing. As an aside, between Spiderverse, Earth 2, Futures End, and Multiversity, this is a great time for a reader like me. Batgirl - I am so glad that DC is exploring the Batman universe in books that are tonally and thematically different than the core Bat Books. I understand how folks looking for a repeated core Batman experience from the spinoff books might feel like someone has moved their cheese. But as someone who likes to see Gotham through different lenses and viewpoints, this new DC push just rocks. |
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Post by Chapin on Oct 17, 2014 12:03:50 GMT -5
I praised the episode lavishly over on the site. I do have a question about the Batgirl art: this style is something I'm coming to associate with other publishers (BOOM's Planet of the Apes, some "Day-in-the-life" types of titles). Looser lines. Less adherence to realism (either photo or hyper). Maybe more "cartoony?" Does this style have a name? Or a specific history? It seems qualitatively different from "superhero style" as set out by Kirby/Buscema/Byrne/Perez etc. FYI, I like it.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Oct 17, 2014 17:19:21 GMT -5
I praised the episode lavishly over on the site. I do have a question about the Batgirl art: this style is something I'm coming to associate with other publishers (BOOM's Planet of the Apes, some "Day-in-the-life" types of titles). Looser lines. Less adherence to realism (either photo or hyper). Maybe more "cartoony?" Does this style have a name? Or a specific history? It seems qualitatively different from "superhero style" as set out by Kirby/Buscema/Byrne/Perez etc. FYI, I like it. Chapin, I have no idea what to call it except "cartoony", but I do know it when I see it! At some level, I suppose it's related to the lighter stylings of people such as C.C. Beck, whose art adorns your avatar, Jack Cole (who created Plastic Man), Sheldon Mayer, or perhaps even Dick Sprang, who was one of Bob Kane's "ghosts" on Batman from the Forties until the Sixties.  |
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Post by mlazic on Oct 17, 2014 19:10:58 GMT -5
I personally think Batgirl would have benefited with a new #1. The character to me seemed much younger to what had come in the last 3 years, the tone and art was worlds apart from the previous arcs, it almost read like a soft reboot hence why I would have opted for a new #1 . Feels a little jarring to me at the moment but I'll definitely give it at least a full arc for the writers to get into their groove.
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Post by rgsc on Oct 18, 2014 12:10:13 GMT -5
... They probably could of saved themselves some heartache is they simply renumbered this and slapped an New in front of the Batgirl much like they did with suicide squad. ... I personally think Batgirl would have benefited with a new #1. The character to me seemed much younger to what had come in the last 3 years, the tone and art was worlds apart from the previous arcs, it almost read like a soft reboot hence why I would have opted for a new #1 . Feels a little jarring to me at the moment but I'll definitely give it at least a full arc for the writers to get into their groove. Yup. I can't, for the life of me, fathom why DC *didn't* give this a new #1. It wouldn't have been the first time they rebooted within the nu52 and it would have made perfect sense given the rather stark shift in tone, story, art, etc. etc. At the very least they would have had an increase in sales from folks who scoop up any/all #1s (doesn't DC understand the comic market?!) and, at best, they would have given the much sought after new readers an easily identifiably place to jump on. Marvel figured it out - with the recent re-relaunches of Daredevil & Captain Marvel, for example - and while I am not arguing for #1s for the sake of having a new first issue every time you turn around (although I did love Skullkickers taking the piss out of this idea last year by having a series of #1s with different adjectives - "All New Secret", "Savage", "Dark", "Mighty," "Uncanny" etc) where it makes sense to do so it is a very good plan. Batgirl 35 offered them an ideal scenario. |
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