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Post by TealProductions on Oct 13, 2014 17:56:20 GMT -5
I hope Lemire pulls the book back from the vanity project it got turned into and uses it for more typical super hero fair.
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Oct 14, 2014 7:02:25 GMT -5
Post by pacino on Oct 14, 2014 7:02:25 GMT -5
Can't wait for Lemire and Perez's take
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Post by matt on Oct 15, 2014 13:43:50 GMT -5
Say what you will about where the series went, from the begging to now I've loved every issue. The Kate issues, the ASL issue the Christmas special i loved them all. Even with all delays the quality of the books was worth the wait. I even remember how happy i was when i heard about the hurricane Sandy issue. I lost my house in the storm when, I remember almost crying as clints car got washed away just like mine did. I owe Hawkeye and Matt Fraction a lot for getting me through my senior year of high school. I will miss Matts run, but Jeff Lemire is my second favorite writer right next to BKV. His work has never disappointed me and I'm sure his Hawkeye run will be no different. I could not think of a different person to take on this book.
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Nov 28, 2014 23:12:15 GMT -5
Post by Simon on Nov 28, 2014 23:12:15 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, we're going to get a relaunch before we get a final issue.
Hawkeye #21 moved to 14/1/15.
Hawkeye #22 moved to 18/2/15.
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Nov 29, 2014 0:59:53 GMT -5
Post by matt on Nov 29, 2014 0:59:53 GMT -5
I hope they move the relaunch back, it would be ridicules if we get a New #1 before Fractions end
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Post by Tony on Nov 29, 2014 1:55:06 GMT -5
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Post by Simon on Nov 29, 2014 6:36:38 GMT -5
It's good to know that we are definitely having a Hawkeye book come March no matter what happens to Aja and Fraction's book. Some consistency is exactly what this book needs. I'm actively following this book and I can't even remember what happened in the last issue. |
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Dec 19, 2014 7:27:29 GMT -5
Post by chrisfabulous on Dec 19, 2014 7:27:29 GMT -5
I'm 100% fine with Fraction and Aja taking whatever time they need to make the finale perfect. I don't look at this series as a regular monthly superhero comic. I look at it as the best work the medium has ever seen. Period. It's the best comic that there's ever been. And in 10 years, when people pick up the omnibus and read it for the first time, they're not going to know or care that it had an erratic release schedule.
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Post by thegiaimo on Dec 21, 2014 7:17:57 GMT -5
I'm 100% fine with Fraction and Aja taking whatever time they need to make the finale perfect. I don't look at this series as a regular monthly superhero comic. I look at it as the best work the medium has ever seen. Period. It's the best comic that there's ever been. And in 10 years, when people pick up the omnibus and read it for the first time, they're not going to know or care that it had an erratic release schedule. I think that plays into it though. We give comic creators who we don't like crap for missing deadlines, but we are totally forgiving of those we do. While yes, in 10 years, people will look back on that run when they read it in one sitting and say, "Wow, that's some damn good storytelling." And I think that comic books as an art form are better off with this title among its ranks overall because it is one of those rare books that says, "Look what we can REALLY do in this medium." But we tend to forget that this is their JOB. It's what they get paid to do. And while Fraction is releasing a handful of other books "on schedule," the Fraction/Aja team is missing their deadline every month. You know what happens to me when I miss MY deadlines at work over and over again? I get FIRED. There are plenty of comic books that have great story-telling, great art, great dialogue, and they are released on time. So if you have an A+ comic that comes out, ohhhh, when it feels like it, and an A- comic that comes out on time month after month, that A- becomes a better comic, because those creators are working within a time-constraint designed for this medium, and they are hitting their mark. When they DO release an issue of Hawkeye, I'm totally lost because I can't remember what happened last issue and that does impact the overall "art" behind the run. Remember the delays of Whedon's Astonishing X-Men and how its ending got completely blown because of said delays? I think these A-list creator-forgiven delays are a major reason why the "shared universe" of Marvel has fallen by the wayside. Because they're so beloved, they're forgiven too easily for ultimately not doing what they were hired to do, and that is, every thirty days, you put out a product. Guys who were just as talented back in the day were able to meet their deadlines and when they weren't, there was a fill-in issue ready to go, because a major part of any business is product reliability. And there are unknowns out there, just as talented, who are desperate to work in this medium, who WOULD work their asses off to meet those deadlines, but those opportunities are not there for them because their name doesn't fall under the "Marvel Architects" umbrella. So while I appreciate, and even love, what Fraction and Aja have created with this book (which is ultimately one of the most influential titles to come out of the big 2 in the 21st century) the failings of its release have to play a part in the bigger picture. Because NOW, moving forward on other projects, people might think twice before putting Fraction on a book, or putting Aja on a book -- or as a consumer investing in that book -- because they have allowed this very important title to take a back seat to other things, and it deserved better treatment. Just my opinion. |
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Dec 21, 2014 13:43:18 GMT -5
Post by matt on Dec 21, 2014 13:43:18 GMT -5
I'm 100% fine with Fraction and Aja taking whatever time they need to make the finale perfect. I don't look at this series as a regular monthly superhero comic. I look at it as the best work the medium has ever seen. Period. It's the best comic that there's ever been. And in 10 years, when people pick up the omnibus and read it for the first time, they're not going to know or care that it had an erratic release schedule. I think that plays into it though. We give comic creators who we don't like crap for missing deadlines, but we are totally forgiving of those we do. While yes, in 10 years, people will look back on that run when they read it in one sitting and say, "Wow, that's some damn good storytelling." And I think that comic books as an art form are better off with this title among its ranks overall because it is one of those rare books that says, "Look what we can REALLY do in this medium." But we tend to forget that this is their JOB. It's what they get paid to do. And while Fraction is releasing a handful of other books "on schedule," the Fraction/Aja team is missing their deadline every month. You know what happens to me when I miss MY deadlines at work over and over again? I get FIRED. There are plenty of comic books that have great story-telling, great art, great dialogue, and they are released on time. So if you have an A+ comic that comes out, ohhhh, when it feels like it, and an A- comic that comes out on time month after month, that A- becomes a better comic, because those creators are working within a time-constraint designed for this medium, and they are hitting their mark. When they DO release an issue of Hawkeye, I'm totally lost because I can't remember what happened last issue and that does impact the overall "art" behind the run. Remember the delays of Whedon's Astonishing X-Men and how its ending got completely blown because of said delays? I think these A-list creator-forgiven delays are a major reason why the "shared universe" of Marvel has fallen by the wayside. Because they're so beloved, they're forgiven too easily for ultimately not doing what they were hired to do, and that is, every thirty days, you put out a product. Guys who were just as talented back in the day were able to meet their deadlines and when they weren't, there was a fill-in issue ready to go, because a major part of any business is product reliability. And there are unknowns out there, just as talented, who are desperate to work in this medium, who WOULD work their asses off to meet those deadlines, but those opportunities are not there for them because their name doesn't fall under the "Marvel Architects" umbrella. So while I appreciate, and even love, what Fraction and Aja have created with this book (which is ultimately one of the most influential titles to come out of the big 2 in the 21st century) the failings of its release have to play a part in the bigger picture. Because NOW, moving forward on other projects, people might think twice before putting Fraction on a book, or putting Aja on a book -- or as a consumer investing in that book -- because they have allowed this very important title to take a back seat to other things, and it deserved better treatment. Just my opinion. Well put dude |
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Post by chrisfabulous on Dec 22, 2014 16:43:01 GMT -5
I still don't care. I'd rather have a great comic than a comic that comes out on time.
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Post by Simon on Dec 22, 2014 19:24:45 GMT -5
I still don't care. I'd rather have a great comic than a comic that comes out on time.  |
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Post by pacino on Dec 23, 2014 8:39:01 GMT -5
With Aja you're not going to get both. He went through health issues, and he's slow. Just enjoy it when it comes out. Re-read the previous issue you also enjoyed in order to refresh yourself. Comics are meant to be fun; let's not as readers be slave-drivers expecting it my way or the highway.
Love & Rockets barely ever comes out. Jaime Hernandez is slow.
Geoff Darrow puts out work when he puts it out. same for Chris Ware.
Some of the best take a long time.
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Post by matt on Dec 24, 2014 2:40:56 GMT -5
yeah, either way I'm still going to enjoy it. I just wish we got it a little more frequently
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Dec 24, 2014 12:03:49 GMT -5
Post by thegiaimo on Dec 24, 2014 12:03:49 GMT -5
With Aja you're not going to get both. He went through health issues, and he's slow. Just enjoy it when it comes out. Re-read the previous issue you also enjoyed in order to refresh yourself. Comics are meant to be fun; let's not as readers be slave-drivers expecting it my way or the highway. Love & Rockets barely ever comes out. Jaime Hernandez is slow. Geoff Darrow puts out work when he puts it out. same for Chris Ware. Some of the best take a long time. Haha, I think "slave-drivers" might be a bit too strong of a term when all you're doing is expecting someone to do their job. I understand the health issues causing delays. That's life, these things happen and Aja certainly has my sympathies and best wishes. If we as readers and fans are not okay with that, then we have a lot more to re-evaluate than the release schedule of a comic book. That being said, I think it's okay as not just a reader and fan, but a paying consumer, since it is something into which you are investing your hard-earned money, to get a little frustrated. I'm not saying go after the creative team with torches and pitchforks. But it IS okay to stop and say, "you know what, this is taking too long." And it's CERTAINLY okay for Marvel, who is funding the book to say, "You know what, this is taking too damn long." You can't turn a profit if you're not releasing a product. And we can't enjoy that product and praise their hard work either. The other artists you cited are indie creators who do their stuff more often than not as more a labor of love, probably far less funded to provide the product. Hawkeye is a successful Marvel comic. It's a totally different ballgame. It's Target vs. the Mom-and-Pop shop. What I was pointing out is that other artists who fall victim to delays under similar circumstances (i.e. Cassaday, McNiven, Finch, etc...) who take a long time to release a book are usually criticized relentlessly for their delays, but when it comes to this book, people say "Just enjoy it when it comes out." I do go back and reread the previous issue when a new one comes out, and I have a good time doing it, but ultimately, I shouldn't have to. I shouldn't have to rewatch the last episode of Arrow in order for this one to make sense. Now, I'm oversimplifying to make my point, of course. Hawkeye isn't Russian literature, and it's fairly easy to get back into the groove of things without too much effort. But I don't think that pointing out delays as a hinderance on a book when discussing its overall quality is an unfair point to make. All that being said, it is a pretty great damn book, and ultimately, you're right. It's meant to be enjoyed. And it is. I just wish I could enjoy it more often. |
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