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Post by Bob Reyer on Feb 26, 2014 11:08:52 GMT -5
I'm still waiting to hear confirmation from DC (since right now Bleeding Cool is the only one with the story and I trust them about as far as I can throw them) but I don't mind Finch taking over on art duties. I'm more interested in seeing who will be writing it and what Brian will be doing now that his run on Wonder Woman is over. Travis, I totally agree about Bleeding Cool, but I must respectfully disagree when it comes to Mr. Finch. For me, I'd prefer to not see Wonder Woman depicted in his "signature style":
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Post by JediHunter66 on Feb 26, 2014 11:31:32 GMT -5
I'm still waiting to hear confirmation from DC (since right now Bleeding Cool is the only one with the story and I trust them about as far as I can throw them) but I don't mind Finch taking over on art duties. I'm more interested in seeing who will be writing it and what Brian will be doing now that his run on Wonder Woman is over. Travis, I totally agree about Bleeding Cool, but I must respectfully disagree when it comes to Mr. Finch. For me, I'd prefer to not see Wonder Woman depicted in his "signature style": Resembles Rob Liefeld too much for me. Ugh.
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Post by xtjmac510x on Feb 26, 2014 12:00:08 GMT -5
Travis, I totally agree about Bleeding Cool, but I must respectfully disagree when it comes to Mr. Finch. For me, I'd prefer to not see Wonder Woman depicted in his "signature style": Resembles Rob Liefeld too much for me. Ugh. I'll admit, that's downright Liefeldian in technique. Then again, I haven't read enough books where he's the artist to really and truly judge him on his merits as an ongoing artist. Remember, I said I didn't MIND that he may be taking over. Does that mean he's my ideal choice? No. I can think of at least ten others artists that are better suited to drawing Wonder Woman (honestly probably even 20 artists) than Finch is. With that said, however, it's important to note that it's the writer and the script that could make or break this entire thing. Even Greg Land can draw somewhat well given the proper script.
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Post by JediHunter66 on Feb 26, 2014 12:04:46 GMT -5
Resembles Rob Liefeld too much for me. Ugh. I'll admit, that's downright Liefeldian in technique. Then again, I haven't read enough books where he's the artist to really and truly judge him on his merits as an ongoing artist. Remember, I said I didn't MIND that he may be taking over. Does that mean he's my ideal choice? No. I can think of at least ten others artists that are better suited to drawing Wonder Woman (honestly probably even 20 artists) than Finch is. With that said, however, it's important to note that it's the writer and the script that could make or break this entire thing. Even Greg Land can draw somewhat well given the proper script. At least Finch can draw feet though unlike Liefeld Totally agree with the writing making or breaking the book though, I love Captain Marvel but didnt like the art on it however Kelly Sue's writing kept me on board for the whole run so far.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Feb 26, 2014 12:14:38 GMT -5
Resembles Rob Liefeld too much for me. Ugh. I'll admit, that's downright Liefeldian in technique. Then again, I haven't read enough books where he's the artist to really and truly judge him on his merits as an ongoing artist. Remember, I said I didn't MIND that he may be taking over. Does that mean he's my ideal choice? No. I can think of at least ten others artists that are better suited to drawing Wonder Woman (honestly probably even 20 artists) than Finch is. With that said, however, it's important to note that it's the writer and the script that could make or break this entire thing. Even Greg Land can draw somewhat well given the proper script. For me, writing can't save disrespectful and objectifying artwork, it's why I've dropped the marvelously-written Worlds' Finest!
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Post by IncredibleD on Feb 26, 2014 13:39:55 GMT -5
I have read the first twenty or so issues of Azzarello's run and its the first time i've ever read a Wonder Woman comic.
Thought both the writing and the art were pretty good even though it looked to me like its focusing more on the other characters than it does on Wonder Woman.
Can't say if she's portrayed differently in this book than in any of the other Wonder Woman books, cause like i said, its the first book i've read with her as the main character.
But i would like to check out some of the other runs some day, especially Gail Simone's run and Greg Rucka's run.
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Post by rgsc on Feb 26, 2014 13:55:25 GMT -5
For me, writing can't save disrespectful and objectifying artwork, it's why I've dropped the marvelously-written Worlds' Finest! Getting a bit off topic, so I hope I will be forgiven, but out of curiosity, Bob, do you ever find yourself buying a book with weak writing (and, here I acknowledge there is a big difference between 'weak' and 'terrible') if it has a great artist? I think Chiang's art helped me overlook some of the more egregious elements of the story here - although I must admit I don't have the deep relationship with the character as you have - because I think the art for the series has been outstanding. Another recent case for me was the True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys. I wasn't terribly interested in the story but I am a huge fan of Becky Cloonan's art so I bought the entire run of the miniseries. If a different artist was on the book, I probably would have left after #2. As I say, though, these are stories that are well crafted, just not respectful of the character's origins & history in the WW case and just not really my cup of tea in the Killjoys case. While I can't think of a good real-life example of where I have drawn the line & continued to buy great art on a bad story, I can hypothetically say that I am not sure the even someone like Darwyn Cooke art could save Nocenti's Catwoman, though, so I do have my limits....
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Post by pacino on Feb 26, 2014 13:56:05 GMT -5
FWIW, I just listened to today's podcast and think that WW has been fairly respectful of the history, while still carving a new path for the N52 stuff. He gets what WW is about (belief in humanity, love and strength), whether or not he keeps up all the genuine history (made out of clay, etc).
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Post by Bob Reyer on Feb 26, 2014 14:29:19 GMT -5
FWIW, I just listened to today's podcast and think that WW has been fairly respectful of the history, while still carving a new path for the N52 stuff. He gets what WW is about (belief in humanity, love and strength), whether or not he keeps up all the genuine history (made out of clay, etc). Pacino, I have read the first twelve, and checked in here-and-there since, and for me anyway, it doesn't work. The other Amazons treating Diana as an imbecile with their taunts of "Clay", because she believes the "fairy tale" of her birth story, which in its original telling might be the most poignant origin in comics history, really hits a false note for me. Additionally, that she seemed more of a supporting character in her own book, her new role as "Goddess of War" (when her entire career was spent trying to overcome Ares!), and then finally the (to my eyes) unrdeemable issue #7, all have combined to leave me wanting something different. As our Mara Wood has said, it's a good story, but to long-time fans it isn't "Wonder Woman". If the book were a sales success on the order of Batman, one could argue that DC made a correct choice in going down this dark road, but as the title is now selling almost exactly what it was before the reboot, why not try a more classic approach this time around? DC might be surprised at the outcome! Sorry to have rambled on!
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Post by Bob Reyer on Feb 26, 2014 14:51:55 GMT -5
For me, writing can't save disrespectful and objectifying artwork, it's why I've dropped the marvelously-written Worlds' Finest! Getting a bit off topic, so I hope I will be forgiven, but out of curiosity, Bob, do you ever find yourself buying a book with weak writing (and, here I acknowledge there is a big difference between 'weak' and 'terrible') if it has a great artist? I think Chiang's art helped me overlook some of the more egregious elements of the story here - although I must admit I don't have the deep relationship with the character as you have - because I think the art for the series has been outstanding. Another recent case for me was the True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys. I wasn't terribly interested in the story but I am a huge fan of Becky Cloonan's art so I bought the entire run of the miniseries. If a different artist was on the book, I probably would have left after #2. As I say, though, these are stories that are well crafted, just not respectful of the character's origins & history in the WW case and just not really my cup of tea in the Killjoys case. While I can't think of a good real-life example of where I have drawn the line & continued to buy great art on a bad story, I can hypothetically say that I am not sure the even someone like Darwyn Cooke art could save Nocenti's Catwoman, though, so I do have my limits.... "R", Off the top of my head, the best example of my buying a book with weak writing solely for the art would sadly be when Jack Kirby returned to Marvel in 1975 and began writing and drawing Captain America. The art was, of course, magnificent, but the writing was sub-standard, and the characterizations were worse! Coming off the brilliant Steve Englehart run that was brilliantly socially aware, and chock-a-block with great ideas and characters, it was quite hard to read this one-note mess, but I kept on, because it was "The King", and I wanted to support his homecoming!
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Post by Simon on Feb 27, 2014 3:00:44 GMT -5
Is he writing the book as well as drawing it? Cause his art is fine but his writing on the first volume of The Dark Knight wasn't that good.
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Post by majorjay on Feb 27, 2014 5:29:15 GMT -5
I am afraid I could not get into WW, it was not for me! not sure the change will help me get into it...
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Post by thephantomwelshman on Feb 27, 2014 13:15:37 GMT -5
so it looks like David Finch's wife will be writing Wonder Woman. This does intrigue me enough to give it a few issues having never read anything she's ever done.
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Post by rgsc on Feb 27, 2014 13:40:01 GMT -5
so it looks like David Finch's wife will be writing Wonder Woman. This does intrigue me enough to give it a few issues having never read anything she's ever done. Nice that a woman is writing the book. We can always use more of that....Meredith Finch's only comics credit does not exactly inspire confidence, though, in how she might approach the character (I have not read this book, or know what other work she has done, so perhaps I am not giving her a fair shake) www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=296626
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Post by pacino on Feb 27, 2014 14:42:24 GMT -5
no nepotism involved there
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