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Post by angelus104 on Jan 29, 2015 11:44:45 GMT -5
Hey gals and guys Comics and Coffee is back! I will be joined by new co-host Nikki Alfaro (IamAsianBatgirl) and we are going to strive to give you a different experience than you can get from the regular podcast!
So, we need stuff to chat about! It can be comics related, but it can also be off topics. Everything is on the board so let us know what you want to hear about!
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Post by toxicsooner on Jan 29, 2015 23:49:29 GMT -5
First, I wanna say I am looking forward to the new podcast. So in the spirit of the podcast title I offer the following topics.
1. Coffee: Regular coffee (w/ maybe a little cream and/or suger) vs. the triple mocha, vanilla swirl, non-fat soy double foam, blah blah blah....style coffees. You guys have any preferences, favorite or just general discussion.
2. Comics: with the abundance of new comics that come out via relaunch, reboot, creator owned, etc; what are some factors that influence you to try a new series and how do you decide whether to stay with it monthly, trade wait it or dump it all together. and as a follow-up to that how many issues do you give a book before you make that decision?
BTW, Nikki, your forum avatar art is really cool, what is from?
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Post by iamasianbatgirl on Jan 30, 2015 8:48:12 GMT -5
First, I wanna say I am looking forward to the new podcast. So in the spirit of the podcast title I offer the following topics. 1. Coffee: Regular coffee (w/ maybe a little cream and/or suger) vs. the triple mocha, vanilla swirl, non-fat soy double foam, blah blah blah....style coffees. You guys have any preferences, favorite or just general discussion. 2. Comics: with the abundance of new comics that come out via relaunch, reboot, creator owned, etc; what are some factors that influence you to try a new series and how do you decide whether to stay with it monthly, trade wait it or dump it all together. and as a follow-up to that how many issues do you give a book before you make that decision? BTW, Nikki, your forum avatar art is really cool, what is from? Thanks for the great topic suggestions! My avatar art is by Dustin Nguyen. Got his art book at a con and totally fell in love with his work
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Post by knownothingnerd on Jan 30, 2015 11:27:55 GMT -5
Good show guys. I was chilling at home and saw it was live. Friday night for me, but nice to unwind, relax, and listen. Keep it up!
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Post by Simon on Jan 30, 2015 20:50:49 GMT -5
Bobby looks like he's rocking a sweet Evil Spock beard. WE NEED TO KEEP AND EYE ON EVIL BOBBY
Also with Stjepan Sejic his name is apparently pronounced STYAY-pahn SHAY-yeech (like sage pronounced by Sean Connery)
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Post by IncredibleD on Jan 31, 2015 9:35:55 GMT -5
I didn't expect the return of Comics and Coffee but i'm glad it did, i'm certainly gonna watch every time!
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Post by toxicsooner on Feb 3, 2015 1:07:10 GMT -5
Enjoyed the show guys, looking forward to the next one. Nikki I will have to check out Dustin Nguyen. Death Vigil is great, looking forward to Sejic's work on Rat Queens.
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Post by BarefootRoot on Feb 4, 2015 14:24:43 GMT -5
Enjoyed the show guys, looking forward to the next one. Nikki I will have to check out Dustin Nguyen. Death Vigil is great, looking forward to Sejic's work on Rat Queens. Dustin Nguyen is doing Descender with Jeff Lemire and all signs point to it being a great book (it releases in March ). I'm looking forward to it. really enjoyed the show! Looking forward to more
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Post by toxicsooner on Feb 4, 2015 23:28:14 GMT -5
Enjoyed the show guys, looking forward to the next one. Nikki I will have to check out Dustin Nguyen. Death Vigil is great, looking forward to Sejic's work on Rat Queens. Dustin Nguyen is doing Descender with Jeff Lemire and all signs point to it being a great book (it releases in March ). I'm looking forward to it. really enjoyed the show! Looking forward to more Thanks for the heads up on Descender, just checked out the preview. Premise is interesting and the preview pages are nice. I will add it to the list of things to check out.
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Post by Tony on Feb 5, 2015 3:06:18 GMT -5
yeah, Comics & Coffee!! Stoked to have it back! Good chat; Nikki was a fantastic choice; can't wait 'till the next installment!
Also, this Dark Phoenix you speak of sounds magnificent. 0_0 This is a thing that I now need in my life.
And I may be wrong, but i'm fairly sure that Stjepan Sejic's last name ends in a "ch" sound, like Sedge-itch (along the same lines as Inter Milan-nee-Manchester United center back Nemanja Vidic).
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Post by Tony on Feb 6, 2015 4:27:30 GMT -5
I thought of a question!
What do you guys think about surrealist-leaning art in comics? Sometimes I love it (Moebius, Brandon Graham, King Kirby, J.H. Williams III on Sandman Overture, Christian Ward on Ody-C, Greg Tocchini on Low, Emma Rios on Pretty Deadly, Tim Sale even borders on surreal in The Long Halloween), sometimes I can't stand it (Tula Lotay on Supreme Blue Rose, Ron Wimberly on She-Hulk, Filipe Andrade on Captain Marvel, Dave McKean on everything he's ever done, including Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth), and sometimes I land somewhere in-between (Jeff Lemire on Lost Dogs, Jock on Wytches, Bill Sienkiewicz on New Mutants). Is it something that usually turns you on or off?
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Post by caircoke on Feb 6, 2015 8:34:13 GMT -5
[sputtering]..DC...more diversity....creators....titles....no more new52?!
And what'll the Marvel announcement be at 11?
How much change is this...or is it just a bit of window dressing? Is Supergirl cancelled? Where's Batwoman? Why not change up the writer and artist on Wonder Woman? How about a book on John Stewart? Or Vixen?
I guess I'll spend today re-writing the introduction to the book I'm working on. Thanks, Big Two, for giving me more work to do--and I mean that sincerely :-)
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Post by BringTheFunk on Feb 7, 2015 13:43:05 GMT -5
I thought of a question! What do you guys think about surrealist-leaning art in comics? Sometimes I love it (Moebius, Brandon Graham, King Kirby, J.H. Williams III on Sandman Overture, Christian Ward on Ody-C, Greg Tocchini on Low, Emma Rios on Pretty Deadly, Tim Sale even borders on surreal .... For me, surrealism can be a difficult style to define in comics bc of the nature of comics as mixed media. Technical surrealism in art is mostly a non-verbal, image-based portrayal, whereas comics (often) offer dialog to help define the context and boundaries of reality. Outside that, comic art in itself is frequently surrealistic.... So I think it's sometimes problematic to generally ask what one thinks about surrealism in comics. That said, the overtly far out style in Sandman Overture (one of my most frustratingly favorite books right now) has an art style that so PERFECTLY joins with the plot and Dream's multiverse-existence. The art takes you on a journey and provides a sense if momentum alongside the dialog that the text alone just can't convey. I can't this second think of any examples where adding surrealism to scenes detracted from the story but I'm sure there are plenty. However, there moments where more suurealstic stylism would have enhanced the book, such as the 90's Uncanny X-men "telepath/psionic" events/moments, Phoenix Saga, and the memory/flashback/mind scenes with Peter and Doc Ock in Superior Spider-Man.
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Post by BarefootRoot on Feb 7, 2015 17:12:59 GMT -5
I thought of a question! What do you guys think about surrealist-leaning art in comics? Sometimes I love it (Moebius, Brandon Graham, King Kirby, J.H. Williams III on Sandman Overture, Christian Ward on Ody-C, Greg Tocchini on Low, Emma Rios on Pretty Deadly, Tim Sale even borders on surreal in The Long Halloween), sometimes I can't stand it (Tula Lotay on Supreme Blue Rose, Ron Wimberly on She-Hulk, Filipe Andrade on Captain Marvel, Dave McKean on everything he's ever done, including Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth), and sometimes I land somewhere in-between (Jeff Lemire on Lost Dogs, Jock on Wytches, Bill Sienkiewicz on New Mutants). Is it something that usually turns you on or off? have to give a shout-out to Sam Keith's The Maxx for surrealist art
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Post by Tony on Feb 7, 2015 18:05:05 GMT -5
I thought of a question! What do you guys think about surrealist-leaning art in comics? Sometimes I love it (Moebius, Brandon Graham, King Kirby, J.H. Williams III on Sandman Overture, Christian Ward on Ody-C, Greg Tocchini on Low, Emma Rios on Pretty Deadly, Tim Sale even borders on surreal .... For me, surrealism can be a difficult style to define in comics bc of the nature of comics as mixed media. Technical surrealism in art is mostly a non-verbal, image-based portrayal, whereas comics (often) offer dialog to help define the context and boundaries of reality. Outside that, comic art in itself is frequently surrealistic.... So I think it's sometimes problematic to generally ask what one thinks about surrealism in comics. That said, the overtly far out style in Sandman Overture (one of my most frustratingly favorite books right now) has an art style that so PERFECTLY joins with the plot and Dream's multiverse-existence. The art takes you on a journey and provides a sense if momentum alongside the dialog that the text alone just can't convey. I can't this second think of any examples where adding surrealism to scenes detracted from the story but I'm sure there are plenty. However, there moments where more suurealstic stylism would have enhanced the book, such as the 90's Uncanny X-men "telepath/psionic" events/moments, Phoenix Saga, and the memory/flashback/mind scenes with Peter and Doc Ock in Superior Spider-Man. I don't claim to be able to exactly define the term in either a general sense or even as it applies to my own sensibilities, it's something that's subjective and the best I could manage would be a ostensive (example-based) definition, one of those "you know it when you see it" sort of situations, but by my reckoning and according to my personal taste those examples I gave all qualify. Certainly none of them is exactly what any of us would call "traditional comic art", except maybe for Kirby, and I think that's more of a case of his work having been around for so long and how massively-influential/imitated it is; if some of that Kirby cosmic stuff debuted today and the world had never seen it before, if he hadn't helped define what comic art is for decades, I wonder how traditional it would seem. Like I mentioned, for me McKean is the perfect example of surrealism in comics detracting from the story to such an extent as to make it totally unreadable. Different strokes, obviously and always, but his covers kept me away from Sandman for 20 years (which has certainly taught me a lesson about books and covers), and, for me, no matter how many times I hear people praise the work, Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth is impossible to read; i'm not exaggerating when I say that even though i've tried to read it many times (because I love Batman, and the premise is cool, and it's always talked about as an essential Batman classic), i've never been able to make it past the 5th or 6th page. I've flipped through the whole thing more than once, sat there with it for a couple of hours, given it a real shot; I know what the story consists of from synopses and such, and i'd love to be able to love that book, but his art is so unintelligible as to make the work completely unreadable, to me, which is a very frustrating experience. But then again, as I sit here today more than one of my favorite ongoings have pretty surreal art, like Ody-C and Sandman Overture, and in those instances the art dazzles and amazes me, I get wrapped up in it and love pouring over the pages for long periods of time, so it could be that i'm growing into an appreciation for severely non-traditional art styles in my old age, or it could be that same old thing with art: sometimes you like it, and sometimes you don't, and it's not always predictable which way you're going to go no matter how well you know your own taste. Jock on Wytches is an interesting one right now, to me; I like the book, i've liked his work before (Black Mirror), and the book seems to be extremely popular and/or receiving a ton of praise (rightfully), but each issue the art has become more and more busy and difficult to make out, with purpose and in service to the story definitely, and I like the character designs and at first I thought I kind-of liked the general look of it as well, but to be honest it's starting to really bug me. In the most recent issue I couldn't help but notice that it's becoming very, very difficult to make out what exactly's happening much of the time, and that tends to drive me nuts and I think it really detracts from the story in a big way; i'm not sure how much longer I can hang with that book, no matter how much i'd like to see where it's going. And again, that's frustrating. I dunno, I just think it's an interesting conversation; I don't know if there are any real conclusions to be made, but i'm fascinated as to where we all draw our own particular lines when it comes to how out-there you like your art, and when you think it works and when you think it doesn't work at all. have to give a shout-out to Sam Keith's The Maxx for surrealist art Oh definitely; very much so; good call!
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