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Post by BarefootRoot on Feb 7, 2015 19:36:52 GMT -5
yeah this is an interesting topic. for example I really like Larry Stroman's stuff from back in the 90s (x-factor and tribe), but I could see where a lot of people wouldn't like it. it was so distinctive and every character was kind of weirdly off-model but I ate it up  |
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Post by BringTheFunk on Feb 10, 2015 0:02:28 GMT -5
For me, surrealism can be a difficult style to define in comics bc of the nature of comics as mixed media. Technical surrealism in art is mostly a non-verbal, image-based portrayal, whereas comics (often) offer dialog to help define the context and boundaries of reality. Outside that, comic art in itself is frequently surrealistic.... So I think it's sometimes problematic to generally ask what one thinks about surrealism in comics. That said, the overtly far out style in Sandman Overture (one of my most frustratingly favorite books right now) has an art style that so PERFECTLY joins with the plot and Dream's multiverse-existence. The art takes you on a journey and provides a sense if momentum alongside the dialog that the text alone just can't convey. I can't this second think of any examples where adding surrealism to scenes detracted from the story but I'm sure there are plenty. However, there moments where more suurealstic stylism would have enhanced the book, such as the 90's Uncanny X-men "telepath/psionic" events/moments, Phoenix Saga, and the memory/flashback/mind scenes with Peter and Doc Ock in Superior Spider-Man. I don't claim to be able to exactly define the term in either a general sense or even as it applies to my own sensibilities, it's something that's subjective and the best I could manage would be a ostensive (example-based) definition, one of those "you know it when you see it" sort of situations, but by my reckoning and according to my personal taste those examples I gave all qualify. have to give a shout-out to Sam Keith's The Maxx for surrealist art Oh definitely; very much so; good call! Don't mistake me - I wasn't criticizing you. It's definitely an interesting conversation. In comics particularly, it's definitely a "know it when you see it" case-by-case sort of thing. I was just trying to emphasize that defining surrealism can be confusing sometimes. You did say "surrealist-leaning" which is maybe more broad and I was splitting hairs. I think maybe it might be a little more broad and safer to say....psychedelic maybe? And hell yeah, Maxx is another great example! |
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Post by Tony on Feb 10, 2015 1:08:25 GMT -5
Don't mistake me - I wasn't criticizing you. It's definitely an interesting conversation. In comics particularly, it's definitely a "know it when you see it" case-by-case sort of thing. I was just trying to emphasize that defining surrealism can be confusing sometimes. You did say "surrealist-leaning" which is maybe more broad and I was splitting hairs. I think maybe it might be a little more broad and safer to say....psychedelic maybe? And hell yeah, Maxx is another great example! No, I got you.  We're good. It's one of those sorts of trains of thought/discussions that sprouts endless branches and never really comes to any sort of solid conclusion, but despite that, it's precisely the sort of journey that I love. |
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Post by harmonica on Feb 13, 2015 11:54:20 GMT -5
was there no comics and coffee today or did i miss it?
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Post by Huw on Feb 13, 2015 12:44:30 GMT -5
was there no comics and coffee today or did i miss it? Bobby's unwell so there was no show today sadly! |
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Post by harmonica on Feb 13, 2015 12:47:02 GMT -5
oh ok thanks.
and get well, bobby
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Post by sammiecassell on Feb 15, 2015 2:16:03 GMT -5
I thought of a question! What do you guys think about surrealist-leaning art in comics? Sometimes I love it (Moebius, Brandon Graham, King Kirby, J.H. Williams III on Sandman Overture, Christian Ward on Ody-C, Greg Tocchini on Low, Emma Rios on Pretty Deadly, Tim Sale even borders on surreal in The Long Halloween), sometimes I can't stand it (Tula Lotay on Supreme Blue Rose, Ron Wimberly on She-Hulk, Filipe Andrade on Captain Marvel, Dave McKean on everything he's ever done, including Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth), and sometimes I land somewhere in-between (Jeff Lemire on Lost Dogs, Jock on Wytches, Bill Sienkiewicz on New Mutants). Is it something that usually turns you on or off? I was talking about Jock's art on witches & how wasn't sure I liked it, & then they put out issue #3 with that precolor art in the back & realized it's not the art, I love it, I hate the colors. It looks like somebody spilled something on it. Almost caused me to quit getting it |
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Post by BringTheFunk on Feb 15, 2015 20:39:37 GMT -5
I was talking about Jock's art on witches & how wasn't sure I liked it, & then they put out issue #3 with that precolor art in the back & realized it's not the art, I love it, I hate the colors. It looks like somebody spilled something on it. Almost caused me to quit getting it Really? I really dig the color in Wytches! I think that issue with the technical pages describing the layering that creates that "stained" color scheme made it 10x cooler just by seeing how intentional and technical the process is! |
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Post by sammiecassell on Feb 15, 2015 22:45:16 GMT -5
I was talking about Jock's art on witches & how wasn't sure I liked it, & then they put out issue #3 with that precolor art in the back & realized it's not the art, I love it, I hate the colors. It looks like somebody spilled something on it. Almost caused me to quit getting it Really? I really dig the color in Wytches! I think that issue with the technical pages describing the layering that creates that "stained" color scheme made it 10x cooler just by seeing how intentional and technical the process is! Yea, theres something about the art that just wasn't connecting to me, I just couldn't put my finger on it until, the technical pages. I love Jock's pencils and whoever is doing the inks, but in my eye it looks like somebody spilled cherry kool-aid all over it. I can see why somebody would like it, just not my thing...not only do I color in the lines, I dark outline the lines before I color them lol |
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Post by Simon on Feb 16, 2015 4:10:39 GMT -5
Really? I really dig the color in Wytches! I think that issue with the technical pages describing the layering that creates that "stained" color scheme made it 10x cooler just by seeing how intentional and technical the process is! Yea, theres something about the art that just wasn't connecting to me, I just couldn't put my finger on it until, the technical pages. I love Jock's pencils and whoever is doing the inks, but in my eye it looks like somebody spilled cherry kool-aid all over it. I can see why somebody would like it, just not my thing...not only do I color in the lines, I dark outline the lines before I color them lol I think Jock inks his own art. I agree with you Sammie, I see why people could like it, but I personally feel like I almost can't see the art properly, like I'm looking through an old window. I can make out shapes but everything on the glass is distracting. The second page of issue 4 was a great example for me. There's so much blue and red "paint splatter" over the image that I feel like I can't see the art underneath. |
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Post by Blencs on Feb 22, 2015 13:26:09 GMT -5
Great shows right off the bat. Always grateful for more TC content.
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Post by harmonica on Feb 28, 2015 5:46:08 GMT -5
i think the only white character that i would have a problem with if he had been race-changed from the beginning would have been Thor. just because he is supposed to be a norse god and him being another ethnicity wouldnt make sense.
that said i had no problems with idris elba as heimdall
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We're good. It's one of those sorts of trains of thought/discussions that sprouts endless branches and never really comes to any sort of solid conclusion, but despite that, it's precisely the sort of journey that I love.
