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Post by wylietimes on Jan 23, 2015 11:53:08 GMT -5
I'd like to weigh in on event fatigue and buying Big Two books. I'm at a point in my life and have been for a long time where I buy what I like and cut what I don't. I've steered clear of events since Fear Itself issue 3 and that's my choice. If people enjoy it and want to buy it that's there choice and I'm cool with it.
As far as publishers go, I've never been concerned with who puts the story out. If it interests me I don't care if it's Marvel, DC, Image or a small indie pub like Comixtribe. Good stories are my bread and butter.
I've also always had different tastes than most people. I had a comic book guy tell me to my face for years that I shouldn't like Rob Liefeld. At the end of the day I enjoy his work and continue to buy with no shame.
Steph didn't like Ant-Man and thought Lang was a crummy person. In Lang I see myself. Like him, I would give anything for my daughters and if I was forced to steal I'd steal.To cheat, I'd cheat. He wasn't good at his marriage and that doesn't make him crummy either in my mind. My wife and I have had trouble in the past and if we divorced it would've meant we weren't good at our marriage either. it's all perspective. Steph has hers and I have mine and we could have a conversation without offending each other.
It's all good. At the end of the day guys, love what you love and read what you read. As always I enjoy the podcast and this community. Thanks
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Post by kidkeith on Jan 23, 2015 11:59:38 GMT -5
Just wanted to weigh in on Steph's "nit pick" about being punched in the face and going to the ball. I think about this all the time regarding tv and movies, etc. I used to bounce at a local irish pub in my hometown and I've told plenty of stories to my GF about the "fun times" therein. She of course asks "Have you ever been punched in the face?" like it's funny. I love my GF, but I always tell her like I tell everybody, being punched in the face is not cool or fun or in any way something you want to take part in. It's awful and it will ruin your day certainly, your week most likely and often times your month if not year. I laugh at how tv and movies portray it like it's no big deal to get just blasted in the face. No bruises, no stitches, no teeth being flung all over. It makes me think that kids might think it's no big deal. I guess if they find out they'll learn quick though lol. Just thought it was funny that someone else sees these things and thinks about it like I do.
Cheers.
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Post by toxicsooner on Jan 23, 2015 14:03:27 GMT -5
Like Barefootroot, I've commented on the Secret Wars thing on the other thread. But, I can always offer an opinion. I'm not overly excited about the event, I will give it a shot but no guarantees. What I am looking forward to is the aftermath. I always hear creators over characters and while I don't always agree with this general rule of thumb, I do think marvel has some of the best creators. If, and this is a big if, marvel can clear away some of the trash it has created over the years with this event, I believe it will give these creators a better platform to create some great stories.
As for what everyone reads and what publishers they support, to each their own. Until someone buys my comics for me, I will read what I like. I don't read comics or support publishers to make a statement or support a movement, I read them purely for enjoyment and entertainment. Since I started listening to the podcast about a year ago I try a lot of new stuff, some I like, some I don't. So, if that offends someone, I'm sorry.
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Post by hellocookie on Jan 23, 2015 20:32:05 GMT -5
a snark-less Stephanie is no Stephanie at'tall. #ReleaseTheSnark Oh no, I agree, Steph's snark is who she is, and i wouldn't change that for the world, BUT for people sooooo for anti-bullying & accepting everybody for who they are and not hurting anyone's feelings, can I read events and enjoy them w/o feeling like I'm feeding the beast!! Ummmm that is extremely offensive to me to imply that I'm being a bully for not liking events. You want to read events, go for it. I'm not judging you for it. You like events, you don't like events... at the end of the day they're still comics and if money is going into the industry, fine. I realize that in your own way you're trying to be political about this and not start something, but seriously, it hurts my feelings to even suggest that I would think less of anyone for buying into events. |
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Post by sammiecassell on Jan 24, 2015 0:40:32 GMT -5
Oh no, I agree, Steph's snark is who she is, and i wouldn't change that for the world, BUT for people sooooo for anti-bullying & accepting everybody for who they are and not hurting anyone's feelings, can I read events and enjoy them w/o feeling like I'm feeding the beast!! Ummmm that is extremely offensive to me to imply that I'm being a bully for not liking events. You want to read events, go for it. I'm not judging you for it. You like events, you don't like events... at the end of the day they're still comics and if money is going into the industry, fine. I realize that in your own way you're trying to be political about this and not start something, but seriously, it hurts my feelings to even suggest that I would think less of anyone for buying into events. No ma'am, never intended to even remotely imply that you were being a bully. Just pointing out, in an obvious poorly designed way, that you champion all people and all their tastes, but when it comes to events, they're terrible and bad for the industry. I understand this is your opinion and it is your job to relay that opinion to us. No offense intended. |
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Post by toxicsooner on Jan 24, 2015 1:00:54 GMT -5
I forgot about this earlier, but i have 3 words for everyone: I HATE FAIRYLAND!!!!
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Post by BarefootRoot on Jan 24, 2015 7:46:24 GMT -5
I forgot about this earlier, but i have 3 words for everyone: I HATE FAIRYLAND!!!! well, yeah. Going to be awesome.  |
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Post by jonathansoko on Jan 24, 2015 17:44:12 GMT -5
I feel the SAME way that bobby does. The new 52 is what got me into buying comics. So now i get to be on the ground floor of the new marvel u, im pretty excited about that. Im still event fatigued though. But i will be reading secret wars.... because its secret wars!
Ant-man and squirrel girl were both fantastic books..... but they are both books that i can't see myself buying every month. Not because they aren't good, but because the tone's and subject matter are just not for me. Great books though.
Everyone is obviously entitled to their own opinions, but to imply that events in general are bad for the industry ....is a bit of a ridiculous statement. I don't read them all, because there are so many of them. I don't believe for one second that all events are bad for comics. Over saturation of events definitely IS bad for the industry. But events, when done right, can be wonderful. And the sales prove it, that ALOT of people LOVE events. As long as they aren't done too frequently. There should be a rule at marvel and dc, to keep the abundance of events at one or two a year. That way we have time to digest them and appreciate them. I also know several casual comic book readers who ONLY come to the shop when there is a big event at marvel or dc, it brings them into the shop. Saying that they are terrible, and bad for the industry is a bit of a smug statement to make. I intend no disrespect, that's just the impression that was left on me. I guess the best way to put it is, agree to disagree lol! Still got love for you steph!
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Post by BarefootRoot on Jan 24, 2015 18:48:27 GMT -5
I cracked open the new issue of Powers and there was this little joke I almost went past: big precinct shot, lots of random conversations going on, and right in the middle is a guy saying "how can it be a secret war when everyone knows about it?"
Laugh out loud moment, considering it's been the big topic of conversation lately
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jan 24, 2015 19:40:45 GMT -5
For me personally, it's my fatigue over heroes vs. heroes and massive stories requiring even more massive outlays of cash to complete, but what deeply concerns me is that despite the high sales on these event books (which is, of course, why the publishers do them, after all), we should remember that everything is relative. These titles are best-selling, but only as compared to the reduced numbers that pass for such things today. I realize that we're never going to see consistent monthly sales figures as we did even in the Eighties, but to me, one of the principal reasons for the drop-off is the rather inwardly-driven nature of modern super-hero comic story-telling, nowhere better exemplified than by events that are impenetrable by "civilians". When you add this factor to the scarcity of retail outlets selling comics as compared to the pre-direct sales era, I'm concerned that the Big Two are shutting out many potential new readers, just at the moment when the general public, through multi-media exposure to the wonderment of super-heroics, might be looking for entry points.
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Post by Tony on Jan 24, 2015 20:20:44 GMT -5
For me, the New 52 reboot was DC taking everything I loved about their universe, crumpling it up, wiping their asses with it, and throwing it into the sea. Colossal failure in every respect; it destroyed my enthusiasm for DC comics (which Gotham Academy has ever so slightly resuscitated). That's where i'm coming from when I say that this Secret Wars event, whether it's a New 52ish sort of thing or a Crisis on Infinite Earths sort of thing (which it appears to be more like), is extremely unwelcome and borderline seppuku.
"The Marvel Universe will never be the same." YEAH, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LOVE THE MARVEL UNIVERSE THAT YOU'VE BEEN DEVELOPING SINCE THE '60s, ASSHATS. Having the 616 in one corner and the Ultimate U in another, and the film/tv MCU over here in another, and Uncanny X-Force and whatever else over in a different pocket . . that's what Marvel was doing better than DC, and they're totally throwing that away. For what; some event sales? A short-term boost? A little publicity? Awful idea. After She Hulk and Hawkguy wrap, i'll be down to two Marvel books; Black Vortex will be killing one, and Secret Wars seems likely to do away with the other. I suppose I should be thankful to them for making it so easy to drop their overpriced, ad-filled, tissue-thin, truncated page-count titles, but instead i'm sad; i'll be over here come Summer, rolling a tear and pouring one out for the 616, completely divorced from what Marvel's doing going-forward.
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Post by toxicsooner on Jan 25, 2015 11:13:37 GMT -5
For me personally, it's my fatigue over heroes vs. heroes and massive stories requiring even more massive outlays of cash to complete, one of the principal reasons for the drop-off is the rather inwardly-driven nature of modern super-hero comic story-telling, nowhere better exemplified than by events that are impenetrable by "civilians". When you add this factor to the scarcity of retail outlets selling comics as compared to the pre-direct sales era, I'm concerned that the Big Two are shutting out many potential new readers, just at the moment when the general public, through multi-media exposure to the wonderment of super-heroics, might be looking for entry points. Bob, I have to say I completely agree with you. I am sick of the hero vs hero crap, it's boring and the equivilant of a bad soap opera. I want heros vs bad guys, if you want a hero to go bad, then do it. Don't dance around it. I also agree on the event fatigue. I pretty sick of the Marvel U level events A vs X, Infinity, Original Sins, AXIS... It's too much and normally there is nothing that comes out of it that couldn't have been done through the course of the regular books. However, I do enjoy the mini events such as, Messiah Complex, Battle of the Atom, and Spider-verse. Normally there are only a couple of extra books beyond the normal titles, usually at the beginning and end. The second part of your post about the "impenetrable by civilians" is one of the big reasons I believe (Maybe Hope is a better word) Marvel is doing this event. I think they recognize that people love their characters but are intimidated by the vast history of them. If they do this right, it could clean away the manusha and baggage for some of these characters and give readers a place to connect without completely wiping away the history behind to the characters. Unfortunatley, they are going to drag us through another huge event to get to that place, when instead they could do a bunch of smaller events and acheive the same thing. |
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Post by toxicsooner on Jan 25, 2015 11:23:41 GMT -5
For me, the New 52 reboot was DC taking everything I loved about their universe, crumpling it up, wiping their asses with it, and throwing it into the sea. Colossal failure in every respect; it destroyed my enthusiasm for DC comics (which Gotham Academy has ever so slightly resuscitated). That's where i'm coming from when I say that this Secret Wars event, whether it's a New 52ish sort of thing or a Crisis on Infinite Earths sort of thing (which it appears to be more like), is extremely unwelcome and borderline seppuku. "The Marvel Universe will never be the same." YEAH, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LOVE THE MARVEL UNIVERSE THAT YOU'VE BEEN DEVELOPING SINCE THE '60s, ASSHATS. Having the 616 in one corner and the Ultimate U in another, and the film/tv MCU over here in another, and Uncanny X-Force and whatever else over in a different pocket . . that's what Marvel was doing better than DC, and they're totally throwing that away. For what; some event sales? A short-term boost? A little publicity? Awful idea. After She Hulk and Hawkguy wrap, i'll be down to two Marvel books; Black Vortex will be killing one, and Secret Wars seems likely to do away with the other. I suppose I should be thankful to them for making it so easy to drop their overpriced, ad-filled, tissue-thin, truncated page-count titles, but instead i'm sad; i'll be over here come Summer, rolling a tear and pouring one out for the 616, completely divorced from what Marvel's doing going-forward. Tony, I'd say that the fact that you're down to 2 books supports the idea that change is needed rather than the other way around. |
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Post by toxicsooner on Jan 25, 2015 11:39:49 GMT -5
I cracked open the new issue of Powers and there was this little joke I almost went past: big precinct shot, lots of random conversations going on, and right in the middle is a guy saying "how can it be a secret war when everyone knows about it?" Laugh out loud moment, considering it's been the big topic of conversation lately They've been dropping stuff like this in alot of the differnet books. I was it referenced similiarly in Spider-women and all-new X-men. |
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Post by rccarroll on Jan 25, 2015 15:57:14 GMT -5
I've been really loving Hickman's Avengers and New Avengers, and Infinity was simply fantastic, so I do have faith that Secret Wars will be a really good book, if nothing else. It's the coup de grace to Hickman's run, and he's not exactly known for disappointing endings.
I'm a really big advocate of recognizing and using continuity, not just pushing it under the rug, so the idea of this being a pseudo-reboot was a big worrying at first. However, the whole thing feels very Crisis on Infinite Earths-esque, where a lot of the stories weren't fundamentally changed other than the consolidation of Earth 1 and Earth 2--everything Pre-Crisis was generally the same. I'm hoping Marvel will be able pull off the same thing, perhaps even better than DC did. In regards to the book's that've just started recently, my take is this: this wasn't a decision Marvel made a week ago. It's been in the works for a long time, at least since Hickman started on Avengers in 2012. They have a plan, and considering that we've got two Marvel movies coming out this summer, they're not going to start books up just to cancel them, especially when several of those books--Ant-Man and the new Uncanny Avengers in particular--feature the characters that'll star in the movies.
Then again, I might be wrong, and this might just be Marvel's ploy to definitively replace classic Nick Fury with Samuel L. Jackson Ultimate Nick Fury. DAMN YOU, QUESADA!
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