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Post by Bob Reyer on Mar 28, 2014 14:44:49 GMT -5
Well, Mo... The reason that the above list is mostly Marvel is a subject I didn't want to bring up, but when DC began the New 52, I lost a ton of books to the ultimate curse--the dreaded re-boot! With the cancellations I lost JSA, JLA, Power Girl, Zatanna, Birds of Prey, and Wonder Woman. Their new universe is too dark for my tastes, and so excepting Gail Simone's Batgirl and The Movement (and my trial of Harley Quinn), I don't have many DC titles left to be cursed--although one did get the axe, anyway! OK. I'll look these up and I'll check the DC forum to see when you plan to hold the intervention ("DC you had a positive impact on my life and were an important part of my childhood, but lately I've grown concerned over your treatment of your characters and your overall dark, negative outlook...."). Mo, That's quite clever! What I find most interesting about the New 52 is that the very thing that pushes me away from it is what attracts others, and which would of course keep new young readers from coming aboard, despite it being a "jumping on" point.
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Post by chrisfabulous on Mar 28, 2014 14:55:36 GMT -5
I was a lapsed reader, and the New 52 got me back into comics. I was excited by the concept. Once I actually read some of them, and only a handful were decent, I tried some Marvel stuff, and that got me completely hooked back in. Now I only read a handful of New 52 books and tons of Marvel and others.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Mar 28, 2014 15:24:16 GMT -5
I was a lapsed reader, and the New 52 got me back into comics. I was excited by the concept. Once I actually read some of them, and only a handful were decent, I tried some Marvel stuff, and that got me completely hooked back in. Now I only read a handful of New 52 books and tons of Marvel and others. Chris, That has been a recurring theme I've heard; people returning to comics through the New 52, but then searching out more varied tonalities in story-telling. According to DC's own internal tracking data done six months out from the re-launch, of their New 52 readers, 70% were already fans, and only 5% were truly first-timers, with only 2% under 18 years old! Additionally, the gender split is 93% were male, and 7% female; with most of that troubling divide due to content and art issues, but I'll just quote Jill Pantozzi of The Mary Sue:
The bottom line? It’s not that women aren’t reading comics, it’s that a lot of women aren’t reading DC comics and there are legitimate, concrete reasons for that. Why do women make so much noise about what’s going on at DC? They WANT to read your comics. They LOVE your characters. They’re just turned off by how they’re represented. It’s an incredibly easy fix if you’d just try.
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Post by tomoe on Mar 28, 2014 15:51:31 GMT -5
I was a lapsed reader, and the New 52 got me back into comics. I was excited by the concept. Once I actually read some of them, and only a handful were decent, I tried some Marvel stuff, and that got me completely hooked back in. Now I only read a handful of New 52 books and tons of Marvel and others. That's pretty much what happened to me. I was an ardent Wonder Woman and DC fan, but ended up dropping comics in the 90's for a variety of reasons (some day I'm going to have to raid someone's collection and see if the books in the 90's are as bad as I remember). I was very enthusiastic about the New 52 because I remembered George Perez's post-Crisis Wonder Woman, but what we got was...not that (or, arguably, Wonder Woman at all). I heard about Captain Marvel (a character I was never interested in before), tried and got hooked. So now I'm reading mostly Marvel books (and a few from the other companies). So the New 52 was an excellent way to get me to read Marvel titles.
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Post by chrisfabulous on Mar 28, 2014 16:22:49 GMT -5
So the New 52 was an excellent way to get me to read Marvel titles.
Haha. That's a great way to put it!
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Post by digart on Apr 1, 2014 17:54:50 GMT -5
Hey Bob! Big fan of the show here! Just wanted to let you know that - thanks to you - I'll be reading Volume 1 of Kelly Sue DeConnick's Captain Marvel. I have high hopes, but if it's even a fraction of the awesome you describe on the show, I know I'll have a blast! Thanks for all the wise words! After tons of DC and Batman on my list, I'm finally expanding my options to include some Marvel.
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Post by Mighty Milton on Apr 1, 2014 20:34:49 GMT -5
I also take issue with a lot of the art styles of the New 52. It's very rare for one of them to stand out artistically, a major exception for me being Chiang's Wonder Woman and Manapul and Buccellato's Flash. For example, the Justice League has had a number of artist turnover, yet I couldn't tell you where which one ends and another begins. It's all just cookie cutter over-masculine and over-sexualized nonsense. I was relieved to find out they are allowing Allred to do variants for many of their upcoming titles, because if its one thing DC set out to do with the New 52 was drain the fun and silliness from their whole universe.
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Post by Tony on Apr 1, 2014 23:31:22 GMT -5
Hey Bob! Big fan of the show here! Just wanted to let you know that - thanks to you - I'll be reading Volume 1 of Kelly Sue DeConnick's Captain Marvel. I have high hopes, but if it's even a fraction of the awesome you describe on the show, I know I'll have a blast! Thanks for all the wise words! After tons of DC and Batman on my list, I'm finally expanding my options to include some Marvel.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Apr 2, 2014 8:04:57 GMT -5
Hey Bob! Big fan of the show here! Just wanted to let you know that - thanks to you - I'll be reading Volume 1 of Kelly Sue DeConnick's Captain Marvel. I have high hopes, but if it's even a fraction of the awesome you describe on the show, I know I'll have a blast! Thanks for all the wise words! After tons of DC and Batman on my list, I'm finally expanding my options to include some Marvel. Martin, Kelly Sue DeConnick's work at reclaiming the character of Captain Marvel proved to be one of the great comebacks in comics history! I'm sure that you'll love it all the way through to the amazing "Enemy Within" arc that closed out the series! Happy reading...and let us know what you think about it!
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Post by Bob Reyer on Apr 2, 2014 8:16:28 GMT -5
I also take issue with a lot of the art styles of the New 52. It's very rare for one of them to stand out artistically, a major exception for me being Chiang's Wonder Woman and Manapul and Buccellato's Flash. For example, the Justice League has had a number of artist turnover, yet I couldn't tell you where which one ends and another begins. It's all just cookie cutter over-masculine and over-sexualized nonsense. I was relieved to find out they are allowing Allred to do variants for many of their upcoming titles, because if its one thing DC set out to do with the New 52 was drain the fun and silliness from their whole universe. Kienan, I whole-heartedly agree! They've chosen to go with a "house style" that does nothing more than remind me of the Nineties and the worst excesses of the grim'n'gritty "Image Era". Recently, I bought Justice League #28 as it featured a new version of the Metal Men, and it was interesting to see artist Ivan Reis make a great effort in keeping the tone lighter in the pages with the Metal Men (they were actually smiling--you don't see that much anymore!), while much of the rest of the book was the usual moody artwork. A Metal Men title with art by Michael Allred would go immediately on my pull list... and straight to my crabby old heart!
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Post by othersummersbrother on Apr 2, 2014 12:45:56 GMT -5
Bob has done it again. Some time ago listeners were treated to Bob's 'History of the Fantastic Four" and in honor of the new Captain America movie coming to a theater near you, the most recent Talking Comics episode is a history of Cap. I think I speak for the entire TC's forum community when I say a collective thank you to Bob for another informative History. I think the success of these kinds of epsidoes, and the show in general, is the diverse views and comic backgrounds of the entire cast. Another high quality, informative show. Good stuff!
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Post by pacino on Apr 2, 2014 14:12:08 GMT -5
Hey Bob, who is currently mostly drawing variants or covers that you wish would also due sequential interior art??? For me it has to be Art Adams, but for a newer artist it'd be Marcos Martin.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Apr 2, 2014 15:35:29 GMT -5
Hey Bob, who is currently mostly drawing variants or covers that you wish would also due sequential interior art??? For me it has to be Art Adams, but for a newer artist it'd be Marcos Martin. Chris, I love Art Adams! His Monkeyman & O'Brien series was the focus of one of my very first patented Talking Comics rambles! To your question, on the older side I would say Alex Ross, and on the newer it would be either Stephanie Buscema or Amanda Conner.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Apr 2, 2014 15:42:11 GMT -5
Bob has done it again. Some time ago listeners were treated to Bob's 'History of the Fantastic Four" and in honor of the new Captain America movie coming to a theater near you, the most recent Talking Comics episode is a history of Cap. I think I speak for the entire TC's forum community when I say a collective thank you to Bob for another informative History. I think the success of these kinds of epsidoes, and the show in general, is the diverse views and comic backgrounds of the entire cast. Another high quality, informative show. Good stuff! Aaron, Thank you so much! It is my pleasure to share my passion for the older books, characters, and creators with you oh-so-receptive folks out there! I agree one-hundred-percent with your notion about how our diverse viewpoints create some very different "radio"; I'm proud to be a part of this enterprise, and of the great community of friends that has sprung up around it! Thanks again!
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Post by Logan A. Rowland on Apr 3, 2014 23:49:53 GMT -5
Hey Bob! Big fan of the show here! Just wanted to let you know that - thanks to you - I'll be reading Volume 1 of Kelly Sue DeConnick's Captain Marvel. I have high hopes, but if it's even a fraction of the awesome you describe on the show, I know I'll have a blast! Thanks for all the wise words! After tons of DC and Batman on my list, I'm finally expanding my options to include some Marvel. Martin, Kelly Sue DeConnick's work at reclaiming the character of Captain Marvel proved to be one of the great comebacks in comics history! I'm sure that you'll love it all the way through to the amazing "Enemy Within" arc that closed out the series! Happy reading...and let us know what you think about it! I am an avid defender of Bob's taste in books, as they line up almost exactly with mine I have found, and Captain Marvel by Kelly Sue is by far the greatest book that he has ever talked me into reading! You won't regret it! Just wait and see when you read the final arc before the new #1! You won't know what to do with yourself.
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