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Post by Huw on Jul 30, 2014 11:09:36 GMT -5
Issue #144: SDCC 2014 Recap Spectacular
Podcast Stream Download Directly From iTunes Feedburner Link
It’s the Talking Comics podcast post-SDCC. None of the fearless crew made it out to the big show this year, but that doesn’t stop them from discussing some of their favourite pieces of news to come out of it. The second half of the show is dedicated to bringing up a few exciting tidbits from us and from you, our wonderful and loyal listeners.
The first half of the show is all comic talk and we jump right into things with our Lightning Round consisting of such books as: Supreme: Blue Rose, Batman and Robin, Daredevil, Invaders, Steed and Mrs. Peel: We’re Needed, Star Trek: City on the Edge of Forever, Mighty Avengers, Thor & Loki: The Tenth Realm, American Vampire: Second Cycle, Amazing Spider-Man and Sorrow.
Then we get into our Books of the Week and some of those titles are: Ragnarok, Batman, Afterlife with Archie, Storm, The Fifth Beatle, Breath of Bones: A Tale of the Golum, The Thief of Always, Justice League United (aka Justice League of Canada).
The team are back with a show of epic proportions!!
What news caught your eye from SDCC, what are you excited for after the con?
Did you read any of the books the team mention, what are your thoughts?
Sound off, right here!!
Annnnnnnnnnd… we say it on the show, but just in case you missed it, the Talking Comics crew on Twitter are:
Bobby: @bobbyshortle
Stephanie: @hellocookie
Steve: @dead_anchoress
And Bob’s email is bobreyer@talkingcomicbooks.com
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Post by wylietimes on Jul 30, 2014 15:14:18 GMT -5
Hey just wanted to piggyback on the new Battling Boy story since I just preordered it. The story will be about the daughter of Haggard West. It might be called The Rise of auroras West. I ordered it a couple weeks back from First Second.
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Post by rccarroll on Jul 30, 2014 16:23:54 GMT -5
Supreme is a really interesting character, historically speaking; the character was originally created by Rob Liefeld, as you guys mentioned, and he was essentially the Liefeldian, 90s rendition of Superman--a ruthless, brutally violent antihero. He was like the Plutonian from Irredeemable, except a lot less good. The character got really cool when Alan Moore tookover the book in the mid-90s, as the industry was crashing. This appearance, unlike Moore's characteristic deconstructionist approaches to most super heroes, was what you could call reconstructive. It was meant as a kind of retrospective on comics, and took a lot of cues from the Otto Binder Silver Age Superman, and it's actually pretty well-remembered.
The two characters featured in Supreme: Blue Rose #1 are Judy Jordan and Darius Dax, who, in Liefeld's original creation, were pastiches of Lois Lane and Lex Luthor, respectively. Ethan Crane was the fill-in for Clark Kent as Supreme's alter-ego, and "Littlehaven" is probably meant to be ersatz Smallville. I'm hoping that Ellis will take the book in a direction like Moore's Supreme, although I imagine Ellis'll strike out on his own in a big way. It seems to me that the underlying ideas that Judy is seeing in her dreams are alluding to the universe periodically resetting or rebooting, just like comics themselves, so we may still get a Moore-Supreme redux yet.
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Post by wamphari on Jul 30, 2014 17:19:14 GMT -5
I have to say I was not a fan of the new storm book. It felt to me like back in the 90's when every so often each X-person would get a half-hearted book that didn't really go anywhere and felt more like grabbing at my last few nickels and dimes. I know Greg Pak writes some good stuff but this ain't it. I'm happy for those who liked it, and for your sake I hope it continues but the first issue was also my last.
Also am I the only one who felt like marvel really dropped the ball this comic con? I keep hearing rumors about castings that may have fallen through at the last minute or something like that, but really no surprises at all.
I think wonder woman's costume was ok, no more no less.
(wow being awfully negative here...)
Trailer for Constantine looked pretty darn good. (have they said if this and arrow/flash will do a crossover?)
Sam is going to make a great Cap I think (short lived as it will probably be)
Ok one last negativish thing, I feel like image is putting too much stuff out. It seems like I look at their section on Wednesdays and feel like I have no idea where to start and maybe think I'm not cool enough to buy those books anyway.
So I guess I'm a little down on sdcc this year, but guardians is coming on Friday and avengers six months after so excelsior.
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Post by caircoke on Jul 30, 2014 21:48:59 GMT -5
I wanted to repeat what Steve said about how it's productive when you disagree. One of the best, if not the best, things about TC is that you have different points of view that you all state with civility and with care toward each other (and toward what listeners' opinions might be). This week with Storm and last week with Teen Titans were great examples of how you do it and do it well.
My two cents:
Storm #1: good
Wonder Woman: heels, bad. t&a inside clothing that has both WW and eagle, and body facing front and showing strength rather than being broke back (or ass-front with her looking over her shoulder at camera): good
Mark Waid's Princess Leia: can't wait
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Post by tundra on Jul 31, 2014 5:24:40 GMT -5
Supreme is a really interesting character, historically speaking; the character was originally created by Rob Liefeld, as you guys mentioned, and he was essentially the Liefeldian, 90s rendition of Superman--a ruthless, brutally violent antihero. He was like the Plutonian from Irredeemable, except a lot less good. The character got really cool when Alan Moore tookover the book in the mid-90s, as the industry was crashing. This appearance, unlike Moore's characteristic deconstructionist approaches to most super heroes, was what you could call reconstructive. It was meant as a kind of retrospective on comics, and took a lot of cues from the Otto Binder Silver Age Superman, and it's actually pretty well-remembered. The two characters featured in Supreme: Blue Rose #1 are Judy Jordan and Darius Dax, who, in Liefeld's original creation, were pastiches of Lois Lane and Lex Luthor, respectively. Ethan Crane was the fill-in for Clark Kent as Supreme's alter-ego, and "Littlehaven" is probably meant to be ersatz Smallville. I'm hoping that Ellis will take the book in a direction like Moore's Supreme, although I imagine Ellis'll strike out on his own in a big way. It seems to me that the underlying ideas that Judy is seeing in her dreams are alluding to the universe periodically resetting or rebooting, just like comics themselves, so we may still get a Moore-Supreme redux yet. Agreed with all of this and I think my expansion on it may run a little long - so here's the tl;dr version. Alan Moore's run on Supreme is excellent - everyone who enjoys comics history will find something to love in it. My impression from Blue Rose #1 is that it will probably build on this run, if indirectly. I don't know much about the Image Supreme run before Moore took over. When I saw it in the shops it looked like a fairly typical 90's Image book with ugly art and I don't recall anything good being said about it at the time. Moore took over on the condition that he could rebuild it from the ground up and he did that in a big way. As rccarroll says above, this is not done in a cynical way and in fact Moore said at the time that he wanted this to be his apology for ushering in the trend for grim and gritty comics in the 80s. A central conceit of the series is to ask what happens to a character who has been retconned? (not really a spoiler since this is introduced in the first panel or two of Moore's first issue) This gets explored through several layers of fiction within fiction, and a particularly endearing feature of the run was that Rick Veitch contributed 'flashback' mini-comics within each issue with an art style and production to make them look like vintage historical comics eg there are ersatz Supergirl and JLA features and a wonderful Jim Starlin-esque cosmic Supreme adventure where 70's Supreme travels into space to find himself. Supreme had a particularly tortuous publishing history as Liefeld left Image and took Supreme with him to Maximum and Awesome so it was fairly hard to buy even when it was coming out - also, the covers were horrible, so I'm sure that was enough to put a lot of people off... There was a TPB collection from checkerboard with a nice Alex Ross cover a few years ago - I don't think even that is still in print, though. Happily, it is possible to read it digitally, though. It's not on comixology, but you can buy it at Devil's Due digital. My impression from the first issue of Blue Rose is that it is exploring the consequences of one of these "revisions" so carrying on the same concepts with a completely free hand to tell a new story... My initial feeling is of a fusion between Supreme and Planetary - with Dax coming across more like one of the 4 than like Elijah Snow. There is a real "archaeology of the hidden world" feel to Diana Dane's assignment, and both Supreme and Planetary shared a really strong strand of exploring comics' history using analogous characters. I thought it was really intriguing as well as beautiful to look at so will definitely be checking it out further. |
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Post by tundra on Jul 31, 2014 5:34:56 GMT -5
btw, since it came up in the podcast the new DRM free backups from Comixology does indeed cover everything you have already bought (from the publishers who are taking part). I had over 200 comics waiting for me to download when this went live, which was nice!
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jul 31, 2014 10:48:42 GMT -5
I wanted to repeat what Steve said about how it's productive when you disagree. One of the best, if not the best, things about TC is that you have different points of view that you all state with civility and with care toward each other (and toward what listeners' opinions might be). This week with Storm and last week with Teen Titans were great examples of how you do it and do it well. My two cents: Storm #1: good Wonder Woman: heels, bad. t&a inside clothing that has both WW and eagle, and body facing front and showing strength rather than being broke back (or ass-front with her looking over her shoulder at camera): good Mark Waid's Princess Leia: can't wait Carolyn, As none of you out there can hear the "in-betweens", let me say that no matter the how passionate the disagreement before the break, we're happy as clams and chattering away off-mike, as we certainly have the utmost respect for each others' opinions... no matter how wrong they are! (Sorry, bad joke!) Topping that, I'm so thrilled that our spirit of bonhomie is just as evident in the interactions of all you fine folks in these Forums; keep up the great work! |
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Post by caircoke on Jul 31, 2014 17:13:13 GMT -5
I praised your thoughtfulness and then proceeded to not follow your example with my own comments, but it was late and I was running out of steam!
I'll try again:
Storm #1: I really liked it because it felt to me like a more richly characterized, Claremont-era Storm. I can also see Stephanie's point of view that it didn't exactly end on a cliffhanger that compels reading the next one. But her characterization alone makes me want to read on.
Wonder Woman outfit: I am not sure why they went with a tiara in that shape, as opposed to pointing up as it just about always has. Heels are impractical for walking around in, let alone running and fighting. Something tight over your knee doesn't exactly help the running and fighting either. I like the shape of the outfit and the way it recalls both the post 80s "WW" design element as well as the eagle that came before it. I like that she looks like a strong subject rather than a sexualized object. And while I know that they washed out the color due to their grim-n-gritty sensibility, I would have preferred some of their traditional colors on all of them.
Mark Waid's Princess Leia: I love Mark Waid's way of capturing the essence of whichever characters he's writing. And I have had a special place in my heart for Princess Leia since I was a kid--not a helpless supportive beauty but a fierce resourceful rebel. And short too!
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