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Post by kinkycomicgirl on Aug 4, 2016 18:14:11 GMT -5
There has been alot of talk of Carol being off modle. Ive heard this from several sides. Im not discounting how people feel, ill never do that, you feel how you feel.
Now lm saying that while she is not how she's been as of late this is how she was years ago as Ms Marvel. Volume 1 she was heroic yes but she was take no prisoners and take less s#!t.
l feel she has been pushed into a more military roll, and she has myriad of experience and expertise in that roll.
I dont think she is off modle, l think she has grown into who she is now from the experiences she has delt with.
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Post by thebradpinder on Aug 4, 2016 18:21:43 GMT -5
I agree.
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Post by pacino on Aug 25, 2016 10:03:14 GMT -5
The Carol that was off model was thr Kelly Sue Carol.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Aug 25, 2016 11:31:38 GMT -5
The Carol that was off model was thr Kelly Sue Carol. Chris, We'll have to agree to disagree! As someone whose history with Carol Danvers as a super-heroine goes back to the original Ms. Marvel #1 back in 1977 (and with Carol in general to the Captain Marvel days!), I think that Kelly Sue DeConnick restored what Gerry Conway and Chris Claremont had envisioned for their "bold, new super-heroine", and which to me had become lost during some of her stay in The Avengers, and then the Brian Reed era...but that's what makes for good conversation, right? |
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Post by adamc on Aug 28, 2016 6:09:54 GMT -5
Comic book characters change, and I don't really mind that. Whatever needs to happen to produce a good story is fine by me. I would rather an 'off model' Carol with a compelling arc than an 'on model' snooze fest. Of course, an 'on model' compelling story is the dream, but that isn't always possible (subject to the circumstances). I understand why this would frustrate someone, though. Each to their own.  |
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Post by Cruu on Sept 1, 2016 19:31:42 GMT -5
Just some food for thought...do you think that maybe Carol isn't acting like herself because she's not coping with the death of Rhodey? As I agree with most of the post that she is definitely not her normal self (or at least the one I loved in the Kelly Sue run), she doesn't seem to have really dealt with his loss.
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Post by kinkycomicgirl on Sept 5, 2016 13:23:03 GMT -5
The Carol that was off model was thr Kelly Sue Carol. Chris, We'll have to agree to disagree! As someone whose history with Carol Danvers as a super-heroine goes back to the original Ms. Marvel #1 back in 1977 (and with Carol in general to the Captain Marvel days!), I think that Kelly Sue DeConnick restored what Gerry Conway and Chris Claremont had envisioned for their "bold, new super-heroine", and which to me had become lost during some of her stay in The Avengers, and then the Brain Reed era...but that's what makes for good conversation, right? Good conversation indeed. I love the Brian Reed Ms Marvel. She got an agent (same one as dr strange) and really worked in the super hero roll. Now it feels as her roll like i said has evolved as the rolls of super heroes have as well. I think shes on point. |
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Post by Bob Reyer on Sept 6, 2016 15:07:47 GMT -5
Carol,
The Brian Reed Ms. Marvel was the jumping-on point for a lot of readers. and will continue to be the touchstone for many fans. For me anyway, whilst Carol was certainly trying to be the "best hero she could be" which was admirable, she was written with an angry edge to her that put me off, and when added to the tsouris that was visited upon her through the 90s and 00s, I found core elements missing. That said, I own every issue from that period, and considering my feelings about this "Civil War", maybe it's time for a re-read?
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Post by kinkycomicgirl on Sept 8, 2016 15:24:42 GMT -5
Carol, The Brian Reed Ms. Marvel was the jumping-on point for a lot of readers. and will continue to be the touchstone for many fans. For me anyway, whilst Carol was certainly trying to be the "best hero she could be" which was admirable, she was written with an angry edge to her that put me off, and when added to the tsouris that was visited upon her through the 90s and 00s, I found core elements missing. That said, I own every issue from that period, and considering my feelings about this "Civil War", maybe it's time for a re-read? its at the height of the first Civil War event ironically, I thought the CW issues were the strongest of the bunch, her and Wonderman are my wish couple in the MU and they had great partnerships during that run.
my First reading was actually the first series she was in, my Mother got them for me as she was a fan also. I love them both.
I think Carol much like and I know im going to get roasted for this Darth Vader is feeling the pull from all sides and is just going to do what she thinks is nessary, she has evolved to this stage, its not the try try try Carol from the first volume, and its not the Be the best you can be from the Second, now its more jaded and F yeah Im right. Now while not popular, its how she is now... and its kind of how Comics are too... some like it some hate it some love it... and you know... were all correct.
love chatting Bob.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Sept 9, 2016 6:21:26 GMT -5
Carol, The Brian Reed Ms. Marvel was the jumping-on point for a lot of readers. and will continue to be the touchstone for many fans. For me anyway, whilst Carol was certainly trying to be the "best hero she could be" which was admirable, she was written with an angry edge to her that put me off, and when added to the tsouris that was visited upon her through the 90s and 00s, I found core elements missing. That said, I own every issue from that period, and considering my feelings about this "Civil War", maybe it's time for a re-read? its at the height of the first Civil War event ironically, I thought the CW issues were the strongest of the bunch, her and Wonderman are my wish couple in the MU and they had great partnerships during that run.
my First reading was actually the first series she was in, my Mother got them for me as she was a fan also. I love them both.
I think Carol much like and I know im going to get roasted for this Darth Vader is feeling the pull from all sides and is just going to do what she thinks is nessary, she has evolved to this stage, its not the try try try Carol from the first volume, and its not the Be the best you can be from the Second, now its more jaded and F yeah Im right. Now while not popular, its how she is now... and its kind of how Comics are too... some like it some hate it some love it... and you know... were all correct.
love chatting Bob.
Carol, it's always great to "talk" with you! Where the split amongst readers might be happening (at least it's a thought) is that for me at least, the Carol Danvers being written in the main CW II does appear to spring more directly from the Brian Reed era, where it seems that G. Willow Wilson's in Ms. Marvel and Kelly Thompson's in A-Force both seem to have their roots in Kelly Sue DeConnick's re-launched version. You've hit upon a quandry that plagues all super-hero films, and most certainly with which the Captain Marvel film-makers will struggle; with so many iterations of the character, how do they determine which elements make up the "core" of the character? (As always, if I'm picking the "definitive" version, barring extremely extenuating circumstances, I'm going to go to the original creator's intent, and then any writer/artist team that builds from that foundation in a logical fashion. Of course, your mileage may vary!) |
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