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Post by Huw on Apr 15, 2015 12:14:46 GMT -5
Issue #181: Daredevil, Kaijumax, and a RIP to Herb Trimpe
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On this week’s show, we (or rather Bob) say our goodbyes to the great Herb Trimpe before we kick things off. Lightning RoundMax Fury: First Flight #1, Angela: Asgard’s Assassin #5, Coffin Hill #17, Deadpool #250, The Legacy of Luther Strode #1, Cluster #3, Convergence #1 plus:tie-ins JLA, Batgirl, Harley Quinn, Superman, Question, Captain Marvel #14 (a “Black Vortex” tie-in–ARRGGGHH!!), S.H.I.E.L.D. #4, Storm #10, Howard the Duck #2, Spider-Woman #6, Masks 2 #1. Book of the WeekWolf Moon #5, Avengers: Rage of Ultron OGN, Convergence: Nightwing/Oracle, Rebels #1. Shared Book of the WeekKaijumax #1 by Zander Cannon Next week’s #TCBOTW is Archie vs. Predator #1 so make sure to read that and send us your thoughts.
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Post by kitkat on Apr 15, 2015 16:03:09 GMT -5
In the podcast it's mentioned that Batman: Arkham Knight #1 was a surprise for being in the top 10 comics of March 2015, it was in Arcade Block subscription service. That might help explain why it was such a surprising seller.
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Post by pacino on Apr 15, 2015 19:59:55 GMT -5
Sheesh, another subscription service. How many are there? Nerdblock, Loot Crate, Arcade Block,  |
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Post by wylietimes on Apr 15, 2015 20:42:40 GMT -5
Gotta agree with Steve on that one character he warmed to. Honestly, it was refreshing how human everyone on the show was that you could care for every one of them.
Also Deborah Will as Karen Page. First episode I saw her I couldn't help but say "Sooki"(southern drawl style). Never a True blood fan but she killed it on this show like the rest of the cast.
Comic wise I can't wait to get my monthly books to get my fix of Strode. Tradd Moore keeps getting better.
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Post by loganson on Apr 16, 2015 11:13:17 GMT -5
Great conversation about Daredevil,guys. A few thoughts:
I hated the black costume! Couldn't wait for Matt to upgrade. His do rag/mask doesn't have eye holes, so couldn't a smart enemy assume DD is blind. That didn't work for me.
A couple character I would have liked to hear your thoughts on, Vanessa and Urich. I loved both characters, especially Urich, the weathered old journalist played to perfection by Vondie Curtis Hall. Interesting that filmmakers can get away with casting black actors in supporting roles (ie. Alicia Masters, Ben Urich), but certain people flip out when Michael B Jordan is cast as Human Torch.....
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Post by BarefootRoot on Apr 16, 2015 11:45:37 GMT -5
woot! Cluster getting a shout out! picked up that book on a whim (possibly when #1 was mentioned on the show) and it has been one of my favorites lately!
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Post by augustine on Apr 18, 2015 3:09:33 GMT -5
Gotta agree with Steve on that one character he warmed to. Honestly, it was refreshing how human everyone on the show was that you could care for every one of them. Also Deborah Will as Karen Page. First episode I saw her I couldn't help but say "Sooki"(southern drawl style). Never a True blood fan but she killed it on this show like the rest of the cast. Comic wise I can't wait to get my monthly books to get my fix of Strode. Tradd Moore keeps getting better. I second Steve's thoughts on that particular character. It shows how well developed the characters are on the show. No matter the character if they are written well and acted well eventually someone will start to care about that character. |
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Post by deadanchoress on Apr 18, 2015 11:08:57 GMT -5
Heh. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who formed an attachment to Wesley. I've always had a thing for well written villains. There's something about their calculation and poise that I find alluring, and Wesley has that in spades. Daredevil is a damn fine show.
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Post by wylietimes on Apr 18, 2015 13:14:31 GMT -5
Wife started watching the show and now she's hooked. On my second watch enjoying seeing her watch it. She keeps trying to get me to tell her whether Foggy or Karen is gonna die in this season since she never read the books.
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Post by henrythemorerecent on Apr 27, 2015 16:29:50 GMT -5
I loved Daredevil, and everyone else seemed to as well. But it also did 2 things that everyone seemed to love, that they constantly complained about prior to this show - 1. Being "dark and gritty" and 2. Have a sympathetic villain with a sympathetic origin. Not just everyone, but on this very podcast, those 2 things get brought up regularly in a very negative light. So I'm hoping that this series doing it well will put an end to the "dark and gritty, sympahetic villain" negative talk. There's a place for everything. Not everything needs to be dark and gritty but not everything needs to be Guardians of the Galaxy either.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Apr 27, 2015 16:50:53 GMT -5
I loved Daredevil, and everyone else seemed to as well. But it also did 2 things that everyone seemed to love, that they constantly complained about prior to this show - 1. Being "dark and gritty" and 2. Have a sympathetic villain with a sympathetic origin. Not just everyone, but on this very podcast, those 2 things get brought up regularly in a very negative light. So I'm hoping that this series doing it well will put an end to the "dark and gritty, sympahetic villain" negative talk. There's a place for everything. Not everything needs to be dark and gritty but not everything needs to be Guardians of the Galaxy either. Henry, You're setting yourself up to be angry at me, and I haven't even said anything yet! (Just kidding!) It's akin to Groucho Marx as Rufus T. Firefly in "Duck Soup" getting himself riled up ahead of time about the Sylvanian ambassador not wanting to shake his hand, so he slaps him right across the face as soon as he walks in the room. (One of my favorite scenes from one of my Top 5 movies!) Anyway, I completely agree with your point that there should be room in the comics and cinema universes for a variety of tonalities. My problem always comes when what seems the historically inaccurate one gets grafted onto characters where it doesn't fit, and if you heard me describing my feelings about the new "Faux-tastic 4" film, you'll see that I'll gripe just as quickly about a Marvel property that doesn't stick to its roots as anything else. Now, I still haven't seen the Daredevil episodes (no Netflix!), but for the vast majority of DD's history, and that includes the rather gritty for its time origin issue by Stan Lee and Bill Everett, he's been a street-level hero dealing in urban crime, even if those crimes are perpetrated by super-villains, so from what I've read of the show, it sounds kosher to me. If after I watch it it seems off-model, you can bet that I'll grouse to high heaven about it! |
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Post by henrythemorerecent on Apr 27, 2015 17:34:09 GMT -5
I loved Daredevil, and everyone else seemed to as well. But it also did 2 things that everyone seemed to love, that they constantly complained about prior to this show - 1. Being "dark and gritty" and 2. Have a sympathetic villain with a sympathetic origin. Not just everyone, but on this very podcast, those 2 things get brought up regularly in a very negative light. So I'm hoping that this series doing it well will put an end to the "dark and gritty, sympahetic villain" negative talk. There's a place for everything. Not everything needs to be dark and gritty but not everything needs to be Guardians of the Galaxy either. Henry, You're setting yourself up to be angry at me, and I haven't even said anything yet! (Just kidding!) It's akin to Groucho Marx as Rufus T. Firefly in "Duck Soup" getting himself riled up ahead of time about the Sylvanian ambassador not wanting to shake his hand, so he slaps him right across the face as soon as he walks in the room. (One of my favorite scenes from one of my Top 5 movies!) Anyway, I completely agree with your point that there should be room in the comics and cinema universes for a variety of tonalities. My problem always comes when what seems the historically inaccurate one gets grafted onto characters where it doesn't fit, and if you heard me describing my feelings about the new "Faux-tastic 4" film, you'll see that I'll gripe just as quickly about a Marvel property that doesn't stick to its roots as anything else. Now, I still haven't seen the Daredevil episodes (no Netfilix!), but for the vast majority of DD's history, and that includes the rather gritty for its time origin issue by Stan Lee and Bill Everett, he's been a street-level hero dealing in urban crime, even if those crimes are perpetrated by super-villains, so from what I've read of the show, it sounds kosher to me. If after I watch it it seems off-model, you can bet that I'll grouse to high heaven about it! At this point the Fox movies have never really felt like "Marvel" movies anyway. It's more the Disney Marvel movies that get a free pass over everything else that is really starting to irk me. I understand they have the track record of doing things well, but as I said in the Age of Ultron thread, Gail Simone said it best when she said "Marvel fans tend to overlook their flaws, DC fans tend to overlook their successes".
Since the releases of Age of Ultron and Daredevil, I've seen a lot of backtracking and double standards. But it hasn't had a wide release yet so the waters are still calm. I'm hoping with the US release of AoU, people are a little less apologetic for its flaws. I'm very, very interested to hear how the review podcast turns out.
Its the bitter person in me that thinks these things and I don't like that side of myself, because I tend to try and find the best in all art forms (especially comic book movies), but I can't help but watch a Marvel Studios property now and see things done that, if not for that big red and white banner at the start, people would very much have problems with.
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Post by angelus104 on Apr 27, 2015 19:50:37 GMT -5
I loved Daredevil, and everyone else seemed to as well. But it also did 2 things that everyone seemed to love, that they constantly complained about prior to this show - 1. Being "dark and gritty" and 2. Have a sympathetic villain with a sympathetic origin. Not just everyone, but on this very podcast, those 2 things get brought up regularly in a very negative light. So I'm hoping that this series doing it well will put an end to the "dark and gritty, sympahetic villain" negative talk. There's a place for everything. Not everything needs to be dark and gritty but not everything needs to be Guardians of the Galaxy either. Your statement that everything doesn't need to be one extreme or the other is very accurate. There are shades to everything and I don't think anyone on the podcast has ever said otherwise. I get confused by this sentiment that you are tired of people loving one type of movie despite its flaws. Is it really a bad thing to just love something? It doesn't have any bearing on whether or not you enjoy it or make your opinion more or less valid. But do you really have this hope that people will be less happy with their experiences in order for you to feel justified? On the topic of the upcoming review show. You are allready setting yourself up for rage. By creating in your head a scenario in which the only reason we like Age of Ultron is because we are hypocritical Marvel zombies. So, if you go in not trusting our views you will leave the podcast angry and fuming. If you go back and listen to all of our reviews post Avengers you will find criticisms both large and small of all of the movies. Bob in fact hates half of Iron Man 3....is that us glossing over faults? Are my questions about collateral damage in Winter Soldier rendered moot because I overall love the movie? I'm sorry if this comes off as angry, but I grow weary of being called a mark or a schill. My only allegiance is to good films that entertain me. When Marvel makes one that isn't and doesn't I'll be the first to speak up. When DC makes one that is and does I'll sing their praises. But these are just one dudes opinions. |
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Post by jonathansoko on Apr 27, 2015 20:22:35 GMT -5
Hypocritical marvel zombies!!!!! I would buy that comic book over and over!
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Post by henrythemorerecent on Apr 27, 2015 20:50:57 GMT -5
I loved Daredevil, and everyone else seemed to as well. But it also did 2 things that everyone seemed to love, that they constantly complained about prior to this show - 1. Being "dark and gritty" and 2. Have a sympathetic villain with a sympathetic origin. Not just everyone, but on this very podcast, those 2 things get brought up regularly in a very negative light. So I'm hoping that this series doing it well will put an end to the "dark and gritty, sympahetic villain" negative talk. There's a place for everything. Not everything needs to be dark and gritty but not everything needs to be Guardians of the Galaxy either. Your statement that everything doesn't need to be one extreme or the other is very accurate. There are shades to everything and I don't think anyone on the podcast has ever said otherwise. I get confused by this sentiment that you are tired of people loving one type of movie despite its flaws. Is it really a bad thing to just love something? It doesn't have any bearing on whether or not you enjoy it or make your opinion more or less valid. But do you really have this hope that people will be less happy with their experiences in order for you to feel justified? On the topic of the upcoming review show. You are allready setting yourself up for rage. By creating in your head a scenario in which the only reason we like Age of Ultron is because we are hypocritical Marvel zombies. So, if you go in not trusting our views you will leave the podcast angry and fuming. If you go back and listen to all of our reviews post Avengers you will find criticisms both large and small of all of the movies. Bob in fact hates half of Iron Man 3....is that us glossing over faults? Are my questions about collateral damage in Winter Soldier rendered moot because I overall love the movie? I'm sorry if this comes off as angry, but I grow weary of being called a mark or a schill. My only allegiance is to good films that entertain me. When Marvel makes one that isn't and doesn't I'll be the first to speak up. When DC makes one that is and does I'll sing their praises. But these are just one dudes opinions. No worries about sounding angry, alot of what you're saying/asking is true. But there's a also a missunderstanding of written words which is a staple of forum posts/comments/tweets/texts. First of all I re-read my original comment here and its clear it came across as me saying you guys "constantly complain", when what I meant was the general audience who complains about the dark gritty/sympathetic villain thing. And then also bringing up its a comment made by you guys on the podcast. Sorry for coming across as "You guys whine about everything". But it has been a topic for discussion on this show. I was simply saying that its good to see something that generally bothers you guys to actually work in a show, getting a positive reaction. I listen to your podcast because I value your differing opinions.
In regards to the review episodes etc, don't worry I've heard them all and agree completely. I know about Iron Man 3 and Bobs thoughts. I agree with you about Winter Soldier. All I meant by saying I was very interested in hearing this future episode is because, personally and also from the reactions I've seen since the limited release AoU has had overseas, its a film that... Okay its hard for me not to get spoilery here. I explained all these thoughts in the AoU thread but marked it spoiler. But basically many of the character decisions and set pieces consist of things that, again, are things that have only been met with negativity in other comics book movies. Especially Man of Steel.
Now speaking completely personally, I have loved and enjoyed the Marvel films since the beginning. But also love MoS and where that universe is headed. But since that films release, there has been a very distinct "Marvel vs DC" attitude that has bothered me. At first I was very Switzerland about it because I never understood the competition in the first place. But then slowly I found that I, personally, was met with hostility when simply stating I enjoyed Man of Steel and my reasons why. Both in person and online. A very "No it sucks and you're wrong attitude" and its the unfortunate coincidence that it came from people who are extreme Marvel fans only. But this has kept on happening. And I see it directed elsewhere, not just on myself. My LCS deal with it in droves of customers. A combination of general public hype and comic book fan passion has turned Marvel into more than just a movie people can enjoy, its the be all and end all. I never said "Marvel zombies". But there is loud, LOUD voice of pretty much "Marvel or GTFO". And anything else that comes out from any other studio or publisher has to cower in its shadow by comparison.
I don't want anyone to enjoy anything less. I don't mean I want people to love anything less because of its flaws. Every movie has flaws. I don't want to dislike either side of the comic-verse. I'm a very "Can't we all just get along" person. But its the constant having to defend my taste rather than just discuss it thats tiring. I can't simply say to someone "Oh man I loved that movie" without them retaliating with "No you are wrong and here's why." And it always comes down to Marvel vs DC.
I don't know, similar thoughts came up with regards to the Batgirl variant. You can't expect everyone to have read and know everything thats ever come before. But there is a respect that is seriously lacking. I have not read every comic or seen every movie. I'm 24 years old. Not exactly experienced in comics. But if there is an announcement, character choice, costume change, etc I make damn sure I do some research before saying "Thats against everything this character stands for and its stupid!" And I know, I know, take what "the internet" says with a grain of salt. But its difficult listening to blind, one-sided shouting without having a problem with it.
Anyway. Pretty sure I rambled nonsensically. Never meant to come across as making this personal or labelling you guys as anything. I was speaking broadly.
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