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Post by hellocookie on Jan 26, 2015 12:59:08 GMT -5
We're following up our successful first Missfits Book Club with a second one that will be taking place on Sunday February 22, 2015 at 7:30pm EST via Google Hangouts. We're reading The Ocean at the End of the Lane by none other than Neil Gaiman. Come discuss the book before we do our official hangout and we'll make sure to include these thread talks in the show. This board permits spoilers, so just go to town. You can buy The Ocean at the End of the Lane here.
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Post by hellocookie on Jan 26, 2015 13:04:38 GMT -5
REPLYING TO MY OWN THREAD LIKE A BOSS!
One of my favourite parts of this book is this bit where the boy is talking to Lettie:
"Once you've been around for a bit, you get to know stuff."
I kicked a stone. "By 'a bit' do you mean 'a really long time'?"
She nodded.
"How old are you, really?" I asked.
"Eleven."
I thought for a bit. Then I asked, "How long have you been eleven for?"
She smiled at me.
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Also, do you guys think that the boy remains unnamed in the book as a way of Gaiman telling a semi-autobiographical story? Mara mentioned how Amanda Palmer stated this is the closest he's ever come to telling his story and I'm curious about why you think he doesn't reveal what he's called throughout the book.
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Post by Tony on Jan 29, 2015 4:04:04 GMT -5
Oh it's definitely semi-autobiographical, without a doubt. It certainly has that feel to it, and I think you're spot-on for his reasoning behind not naming the character (though it also works to make the boy feel more like the everyman than he otherwise might, and put the reader in his shoes, as if reliving our own mystically-hazy childhoods).
god I love this book just so, so much. I haven't read it since shortly after it dropped, which I want to say was early summer 2013 (?), which seems a long-ish time ago by now, so I can't pull quotes or speak uber-intelligently about the specific bits that I loved the most at the moment (i'll have to give it a re-read this month), but it came out when I was smack-dab in the middle of my self-imposed Year of Gaiman, which in actuality ended up becoming more like a solid 18-20 Months of Gaiman, in which I read all of his novels, short story compilations, and the first third or so of Sandman, and nothing but. Ah, those were good times. And of all of those books and stories, Ocean may well be just about my favorite. I love almost all of his stuff, Anansi Boys, 'Murican Gods, Coraline, Stardust, the aforementioned Sandman of course, Good Omens, Smoke and Mirrors, The Graveyard Book (SO underrated, that one), but Ocean hit me the hardest, I think. I wept like a wee babe reading that book; brilliant stuff. I'm looking forward to dipping back into that world.
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Post by pacino on Jan 29, 2015 10:02:08 GMT -5
I thought the book was very enjoyable. Going to have to listen to this podcast...
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Post by thephantomwelshman on Jan 30, 2015 3:54:18 GMT -5
I really love this book. I live 5 minutes away from Ocean at the end of the lane, Neil Gaiman hails from Portsmouth and had a road named after him a couple of years ago. Was lucky enough to see him unveil the street sign and then do a reading from it in the evening. Looking forward to this podcast.
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Post by sailormarvel on Feb 21, 2015 7:35:22 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie, I wasn't very excited about this book. I only bought it this Tuesday and didn't start reading it until Thursday night. I don't know why I wasn't more excited. I think I heard it somewhere that it was a bit too crazy and it made no sense, so I wasn't very keen.
Boy, was I wrong.
I kept on reading a couple of pages and putting it down, it wasn't really gripping me until we met Lettie and the boy has that dream which starts everything. Then I could not put it down and read it in one sitting.
I loved it. I loved so much and I can't quite explain why. I loved the Hempstock women and I wanted more of them. I want a whole other book just about them. I loved the fights between good and evil and the magic and the fantastical aspects. I'm still not entirely sure what the book was about or what it was trying to say, but somehow, whatever it was, it resonated with me.
So thanks again Missfits for choosing a book I would never have picked up otherwise! Can't wait to see what's next!
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Post by megamaramon on Feb 22, 2015 13:37:21 GMT -5
Here's the blog link to Amanda Palmer's post about this particular book: blog.amandapalmer.net/20130618/Seriously, after reading this book again, it's higher up on my list of favorite books. Short, simple, and very emotive. Here are some great discussion questions to think about for tonight: 1. It would be easy to think of the Hempstocks as the "triple goddess" (the Maiden, the Mother, and the Crone) of popular mythology. In what ways do they conform to those roles? In what ways are they different? 2. The narrator has returned to his hometown for a funeral (we never learn whose). Do you think that framing his childhood story with a funeral gives this story a pessimistic outlook, rather than an optimistic one? 3. Because the narrator is male and most of the other characters are female, this story has the potential to become a stereotypical narrative where a male character saves the day. How does the story avoid that pitfall? 4. The story juxtaposes the memories of childhood with the present of adulthood. In what ways do children perceive things differently an adults? Do you think there are situations in which a child's perspective can be more "truthful" than an adult's? 5. One of Ursula Monkton's main attributes is that she always tries to give people what they want. Why is this not always a good thing? What does Ursula want? How does Ursula use people's desires against them to get what she wants? 6. Water has many roles in this story—it can give and take life, reveal and hide. How does it play these different roles? 7. One of the many motivators for the characters in this story is loneliness. What characters seem to suffer from loneliness? How do adults and children respond to loneliness in different ways? In the same ways? 8. On page 18, the narrator tells us that his father often burnt their toast and always ate it with apparent relish. He also tells us that later in life, his father admitted that he had never actually liked burnt toast, but ate it to avoid waste, and that his father's confession made the narrator's entire childhood feel like a lie: "it was as if one of the pillars of belief that my world had been built upon had crumbled into dry sand." What other "pillars of belief" from childhood does he discover to be false? How do these discoveries affect him? Are there any beliefs from your own childhood that you discovered to be false? 9. When the narrative returns to the present, Old Mrs. Hempstock tells our narrator, "You stand two of you lot next to each other, and you could be continents away for all it means anything" (p. 173). What does she mean by this? Why is it "easier" for people, our narrator especially, to forget certain things that are difficult to reconcile? 10. Though the narrator has a sister, he doesn't seem to be particularly close to her. Why do you think it is that he has trouble relating to other children? Why do you think his sister is not an ally for him? (Questions issued by the publisher. )
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Post by ocrush on Feb 22, 2015 16:17:32 GMT -5
I cried, and I wasn't really sure why I was crying. This book let me lament the childhood naiveté that makes things seem bigger, scarier, magical, and like they will last forever, while at the same time being relieved it (childhood) is over. It really is beautiful.
2. The narrator didn't say but I felt that it was his fathers funeral. Not pessimistic or optimistic, to me it set up a juxtaposition between "adult" realism and childhood fantasy (when you think your parents will be around forever).
5. Ursala Monkton scared the hell out of me, she used peoples desires against them. The saying goes "be careful what you wish for" Btw isn't Ursula Monkton the best name for a villain?
last note, if you enjoy Neil Gaiman's work I highly recommend listening to his audio books, he narrates them himself and he is of course excellent.
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Post by sailormarvel on Feb 22, 2015 18:42:39 GMT -5
I had a massive lump in my throat for the last 50 pages of the book. 2. For me it wasn't pessimistic or optimistic. I felt the narrator was deeply sad and that sadness was becUse he didn't absorb the lessons the Hempstocks tried to teach him. But for the reader, there is so much hope as our eyes are opened to all the magic in the world. We still have a chance to absorb the lessons. Now, if only the book was clearer on just what those lessons were...
5. Ursula Monkton is one of the scariest villains ever. I was absolutely terrified of her, not in her true form, but when she took her human form, I was reading this at night whilst my husband was asleep next to me and I was so terrified I stood up and turned on all the lights in our bedroom. What scared me the most about her was that she was so evil and NO ONE could see it! She controlled all his loved ones and turned them against him and no one believed him. She seemed all powerful, and that really scared me.
6. My grandad always talked about the power of water, especially large bodies of water. He always said water is the main conductor of pure life and pure energy, he was a big believer that water could cure you and that showers cleansed not only your body, but your soul. I grew up in front of the ocean and to this day nothing soothes me as much as being near water. In Brazil, some religions have a goddesses of water, Iemanja for the ocean and Oxum for the river. Every New Year's Eve, it is tradition to give gifts to the goddess of water, as you thank her and make wishes. The funny thing is, most people do this, regardless or not they are of that religion. I did it every year and I still grow flowers into rivers as a way of saying thank you or making wishes. Anyway, all this rambling is to say that water is a hugely powerful thing. It can take and give life, but it also is the source of life. I loved that Lettie lived in the water, towards the end of the book, and that water was restoring her to life. Can you think of other stories, myths or traditions that have to do with water?
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Post by BringTheFunk on Feb 24, 2015 1:02:20 GMT -5
5. Ursula Monkton is one of the scariest villains ever. I was absolutely terrified of her, not in her true form, but when she took her human form, I was reading this at night whilst my husband was asleep next to me and I was so terrified I stood up and turned on all the lights in our bedroom. What scared me the most about her was that she was so evil and NO ONE could see it! She controlled all his loved ones and turned them against him and no one believed him. She seemed all powerful, and that really scared me. megamaramon sailormarvel ocrush hellocookieUgggggghh I wish I had seen this thread before the podcast. I bought this book for my mom before I personally had ever read much Gaiman. She never read it... and I snagged it from home over the holidays. I read it one sitting at breakfast... truly masterful. Not sure who said it (best), Mara or Melissa. This story is refined. Such a simple and perfect way to describe it. URSULA MONKTON. Scared. the. shit. out. of. me. In so many ways, under another author's hand, she could have just been a lame evil step-mother or fucked up version of Mary Poppins with a "clever twist" (spins finger up into the air!). What makes her so unique is how effective and believable she is. Despite being an extradimensional, universe-old, rotten-ragtent-monster-god in human form....She is so BELIEVABLE! You know she's not real, could never BE real. But you still cringe at her. On that note... I have to disagree that her seeming all-powerful is what is so scary. Really...what is most terrifying is not her supernatural qualities, but rather how she exerts her power as a flesh-and-bone adult. The boy is scared of her powers sure, but what gets him to run and piss himself is how evil she is as a PERSON. The fear of constantly being surveilled, the subversion of his family through lust and the small community (?) they live in with money. These are human constructs. Adult constructs. And that shit is scariest of all. I also find her character kind of like the clown in Stephen King's IT. A being out of space and time manifested in a clown-thing, the child dynamics and age/locational memory effect, the killing/banishment devices. Except Gaiman captured it all so beautifully with a lot fewer pages. Everyone has made great points about the story and the other characters. And not to sound redundant to my point about Ursula Monkton's true power as an adult and/or ground covered by others in the thread, but - This story so expertly captures and conveys many aspects of the terrors of childhood, real and perceived: The tenuous nature of your freedom under your parents' (guardians') roof, the fear and euphoria inspired by the unknown, feeling like an outsider, not understanding the minds and motivations of adults, helplessness, death. The fact that it was all conveyed by the sudden, fleeting clarity of the adult narrator gives it a nice, believable feel and ending as well.
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Post by Poppet on Jul 17, 2017 6:31:34 GMT -5
Hi everyone,
I think I'm the only person who just doesn't see what the hype is about this book. I liked it I guess but I felt like it was a really long blurb. The beginning was great but then I think the author included too many side plot points that were unnecessary ie. the kitten/cat, the cleaners. I would have liked the opal miner and his death to play a more significant part and (please don't kill me here ) I think Ursula wasn't needed either. i also think more conflict between the adult and his recollections would have added more depth as well. I read this coming off the amazing experience I had reading the Miss Peregrine series (my favourite series ever) and perhaps had different expectations. Did anyone else get a strong Stephen King vibe with description of the town? I'd love to see if anyone was left a bit deflated from this book? It just had too many non-detailed ideas for my liking.
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