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Post by hellocookie on Nov 17, 2014 12:42:21 GMT -5
Mara takes over hosting duties for another week and is joined by guest Missfits Nikki Alfaro and Maria Norris to talk about the one named Sailor Moon. In the first half of the show, the ladies discuss some of their favourite things in the Recommendations segment. Their choices include: Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Revolutionary Girl Utena, Lunar Chronicles, Chaos Walking, Bookishbelle.com and Android Netrunner. Break music: www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6_RZhh44NY (OBVIOUSLY) Ending music: www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8TWC2pNiucThe Missfits are: Stephanie Cooke – hellocookieMara Wood – megamaramonMelissa Megan – lissapunchThe Missfits on Twitter – @the_Missfits AND our email is podcast@the-missfits.com Our amazing banner art is by HanieMohd and our theme music is by Eryn Young.
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Post by iamasianbatgirl on Nov 17, 2014 14:01:57 GMT -5
I had so much fun with this episode!
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Post by sailormarvel on Nov 17, 2014 15:43:01 GMT -5
Hey guys, It's me Maria. I had so much fun recording this. Thanks for including me! I'm hoping to get people into the Sailor Moon musicals btw! As I said on twitter, I cant be the only one!!
What did you guys think of the last Crystal episode? I thought it was the best yet!! Loved seeing Usagi being a bad ass!
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Post by goodeeveening on Nov 17, 2014 20:27:32 GMT -5
I loved (Am loving - still have a little bit of the episode to go when work stops interrupting me) this episode. I love how seriously you take the subjects that you talk about whilst still being comfortable and conversational. It's like discussing meta and media theory with a group of friends ^__^
I've only ever seen the English dub of Sailor Moon and loved it as a kid. I don't think I got beyond the first couple of 'arcs' though. As you spoke about, it really meant a lot to me that these 'girly' characters were still kick-ass soldiers and Guardians. Jupiter was a tomboy but loved cooking and was boy-crazy etc. I also identified with Sailor Moon as a 'crybaby' and clumsy and people picked on her for these seemingly weak outward traits like I was, but she wasn't any less emotionally and physically strong. That was very important for me to see as a young teenager.
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Post by goodeeveening on Nov 17, 2014 20:36:22 GMT -5
Hey guys, It's me Maria. I had so much fun recording this. Thanks for including me! I'm hoping to get people into the Sailor Moon musicals btw! As I said on twitter, I cant be the only one!! What did you guys think of the last Crystal episode? I thought it was the best yet!! Loved seeing Usagi being a bad ass! Hi! You did so great on this episode! I wanted to echo your recommendation for the Chaos Walking series. My friend gave me The Knife Of Never Letting Go as a gift for Christmas and I took a little while to start reading it because the writing style put me off. Once I decided to push past it though I devoured it and had to ask for the second and third book for my Birthday. The discussions that it inspires about about masculinity and misplaced ideals and the strength of emotion and empathy were so great. I know that the writer is a feminist and his treatment not only of his female characters but how he presents the patriarchal society's effect on young men really shows this. So on and so forth, can you tell that I have nobody else to talk to about this book?
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Post by megamaramon on Nov 17, 2014 20:40:56 GMT -5
Can I just say that Sailor Moon is the universal language of women? It seems like every other woman I meet my age has some story about Sailor Moon in their childhood. I feel like women who haven't even seen Sailor Moon can connect and understand why its so important to those who had an early exposure.
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Post by iamasianbatgirl on Nov 18, 2014 0:12:48 GMT -5
sailormarvel megamaramon I think we should do an episode on the Magical Girl genre (hopefully after you ladies finish watching Puella Magi Madoka Magica). Sailor Moon was the pioneer series but there are so many other great magical girl stories out there!
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Post by sailormarvel on Nov 18, 2014 6:17:49 GMT -5
sailormarvel megamaramon I think we should do an episode on the Magical Girl genre (hopefully after you ladies finish watching Puella Magi Madoka Magica). Sailor Moon was the pioneer series but there are so many other great magical girl stories out there! I second that!!! The Magical Girl genre is so significant, and it tends to be derided for being silly and girly, when in reality (and when done right) it is empowering. I mean, you can interpret Revolutionary Girl Utena as a giant metaphor for gender norms, the role of women in society, and the consequences of both following and breaking these gender norms. I certainly it see it that way, especially the first season. The genre has a deep feminist undercurrent running through it! A Missfits episode on Magical Girls would be brilliant. Even if I'm not in it (though again, I'd love to be, pretty please  I'd listen the #^%# out of it!
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Post by sailormarvel on Nov 18, 2014 6:24:08 GMT -5
Hey guys, It's me Maria. I had so much fun recording this. Thanks for including me! I'm hoping to get people into the Sailor Moon musicals btw! As I said on twitter, I cant be the only one!! What did you guys think of the last Crystal episode? I thought it was the best yet!! Loved seeing Usagi being a bad ass! Hi! You did so great on this episode! I wanted to echo your recommendation for the Chaos Walking series. My friend gave me The Knife Of Never Letting Go as a gift for Christmas and I took a little while to start reading it because the writing style put me off. Once I decided to push past it though I devoured it and had to ask for the second and third book for my Birthday. The discussions that it inspires about about masculinity and misplaced ideals and the strength of emotion and empathy were so great. I know that the writer is a feminist and his treatment not only of his female characters but how he presents the patriarchal society's effect on young men really shows this. So on and so forth, can you tell that I have nobody else to talk to about this book? Thank you so much! And I'm so glad you love the Chaos Walking books!! I had the same issues with the writing style but after a few pages, I just forgot about it. I just taught a module on a gender studies, and is think this book should be recommended reading! People think that feminism is about women only, but the patriarchy also has a twisted view of masculinity. i also have nobody else to talk about this book other than my husband, who also loves it! Bring it on!!
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Post by caircoke on Nov 20, 2014 17:01:54 GMT -5
I thought the Sailor Moon ep was great, ladies! Thanks.
I do have a question though, about the anime. It seemed to me that in the first season especially, Tuxedo Mask kept showing up to help or encourage the scouts. I thought maybe I was being oversensitive, but then after a few of these in a row, the 8-year-old said, "him again? The girls don't need him to save them!" Then I felt even more sensitive about how gendered it looked, the dude swooping in to help. Do you see it that way, in some of the eps, too? Or do you like the idea that sometimes one or more of the girls would need some encouragement or help, like that can make them more relatable?
PS: The 8 year old says she is Sailor Venus and I am Sailor Jupiter.
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Post by sailormarvel on Nov 22, 2014 8:10:47 GMT -5
I thought the Sailor Moon ep was great, ladies! Thanks. I do have a question though, about the anime. It seemed to me that in the first season especially, Tuxedo Mask kept showing up to help or encourage the scouts. I thought maybe I was being oversensitive, but then after a few of these in a row, the 8-year-old said, "him again? The girls don't need him to save them!" Then I felt even more sensitive about how gendered it looked, the dude swooping in to help. Do you see it that way, in some of the eps, too? Or do you like the idea that sometimes one or more of the girls would need some encouragement or help, like that can make them more relatable? PS: The 8 year old says she is Sailor Venus and I am Sailor Jupiter. Hello there, thank you! I think this is much more of an issue in the anime than in the manga. In fact, several times during the manga Tuxedo Mask talks about how much less powerful he is than the girls and that he fears that he gets in their way. He really doesn't want to be a thorn on their side. having said that, I always found it annoying that he swooped in, BUT he is there to encourage the girls, not fight for them or save them. So that casts him in a supporting role. Whilst I wish his position in the anime reflected the manga more, I still think he is there to support them, not save them, which changes the gender roles. He's the cheerleader, basically. I think everyone needs encouragement sometimes, even heroes like sailor moon. I honk it is a good message to send: even super heroes get discouraged, but they always get back on their feet! and the 8 year old is Venus huh? You have a little idol on your hands! 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 13:45:22 GMT -5
just caught up on the show and this was one of my favorites. it brought back memories of 6 year old me mimicking the transformation sequences and using the remote control as a wand. anyways, sailor moon is basically life and such a great show! i even think the english dub is a comedic masterpiece in its own way.
i do want to know how if you guys saw the puella magi madoka magica (mouthful) that was recommended? it's a great magical girl anime and hands down my personal favorite. if you did see it how did you guys feel?
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Post by iamasianbatgirl on Dec 5, 2014 14:41:33 GMT -5
just caught up on the show and this was one of my favorites. it brought back memories of 6 year old me mimicking the transformation sequences and using the remote control as a wand. anyways, sailor moon is basically life and such a great show! i even think the english dub is a comedic masterpiece in its own way. i do want to know how if you guys saw the puella magi madoka magica (mouthful) that was recommended? it's a great magical girl anime and hands down my personal favorite. if you did see it how did you guys feel? I got Maria to watch it and she loved it, right sailormarvel?
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Post by sailormarvel on Dec 5, 2014 21:10:33 GMT -5
just caught up on the show and this was one of my favorites. it brought back memories of 6 year old me mimicking the transformation sequences and using the remote control as a wand. anyways, sailor moon is basically life and such a great show! i even think the english dub is a comedic masterpiece in its own way. i do want to know how if you guys saw the puella magi madoka magica (mouthful) that was recommended? it's a great magical girl anime and hands down my personal favorite. if you did see it how did you guys feel? I got Maria to watch it and she loved it, right sailormarvel? YES!!!!! I've watched the whole thing twice since the show, and I love Madoka an incomprehensible amount! I'm trying to find a way to watch the movie now! you guys should watched Utena sometime. It's so weird and wonderful. And creepy and disturbing and confusing. And awesome! here is the first episode. I loooove the opening: m.youtube.com/watch?v=6TQFlVcPyUA
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Post by sailormarvel on Dec 5, 2014 21:54:37 GMT -5
I must add though, that Utena has serious trigger warnings, especially when it comes to emotional and domestic abuse, incest, and even rape . Although the incest and rape are mostly absent from S1. But these are not gratuitous at all, and most of it is implied, although in a very obvious way. Utena is a deeply metaphorical show, and I also think it is a very feminist show. I have read several articles on how Utena is an exploration of patriarchal culture and I agree. I have also read that women have a different reaction to Utena then men. Women tend to recognise the fact that the show is about misogyny straight away. I won't lie. There were many times that Utena has made me feel very uncomfortable, and I even had to take a break from it at one point. But that happened only after S1, and I did go back to the show because I think it is brilliant. Here's a little about Utena from this article on seven best lesbian-themed anime by kat callahan: "It's difficult to give Shoujo Kakumei Utena (or just Utena) any kind of adequate summary. It is a series even a hardcore yuri or anime scholar could watch over and over again and still find more to analyse. In addition to haunting visuals and an eerie soundtrack, the series borrows tropes not just from classic/high yuri, but also the magical girl genre, and shoujo more generally. It also just happens to be third on my personal list of favorite anime in general, not just yuri. There's no way around it: Utena is strange. Very strange. And giving any kind of summary really risks spoiling it for potential new viewers because of just how many mysteries there are about the setting, its history, the characters, their relationships, and their motivations. The series begins sometime after the transfer of 14 year old Tenjou Utena to the elite Ohtori Academy. The anime doesn't explain how she got there, but the manga (comic) does (if you're curious). Athletic and tomboyish in attitude, Utena wears feminised version of the Ohtori boys uniform. Although she strongly articulates her gender identity is not in question, she also reveals her dream is to become a prince like the one who rescued her in childhood and gave her a ring: a ring with the same rose crest as the school. Owing both to her goal to become a prince and her inner sense of nobility, she comes to the aid of her friend Wakaba (who often jokingly refers to Utena as her boyfriend, despite actually being straight) when the latter girl is humiliated by her love interest: school council vice president and kendo practitioner Saionji Kyouichi. Mistaking Utena for a mysterious new "duelist," he meets her at a special location behind the school where Utena meets Himemiya Anthy, the "Rose Bride," who has the "Power to Revolutionise the World." An overconfident Saionji loses the duel, despite the fact he has a katana sword and Utena only has a wooden practice version. Having "won" Anthy, Utena finds herself followed home by the mysterious "Rose Bride." The series focuses on Utena's attempts to protect Anthy at all costs from the other members of the student council, as well as other various duelists which appear. She struggles to reconcile both her masculinity, as a prince-to-be, and her femininity as a previously rescued princess, and to identify her feelings towards Anthy as well as towards male suitors. Above all, she is determined to unravel the mysteries of the prince and the setting around her. Worth mentioning that Utena and Anthy are hardly the only (potentially?) queer characters in the series. Unfortunatey, too much detail would spoil some of the best revelations about members of the cast. Utena is just that complex that it's very easy for cursory identifications to give away important plot details. Other yuri reviewers have drawn comparisons between Utena and The Rose of Versailles by Ikeda, and while that is visually true (largely due to costuming), I feel that the series is drawing much more from the world of Oniisama E and its representation of the Class S tropes. Many of the same issues found in that earlier series can be found in Utena, just wrapped up in the latter series' unique visuals, absurd settings, and convoluted reality. Watch this one at least twice. You'll be surprised what you missed the first time around. " roygbiv.jezebel.com/these-are-the-seven-best-lesbian-anime-series-ever-made-1634542445
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