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Post by jonathansoko on Mar 9, 2015 23:02:46 GMT -5
I certainly remember sue (in the wolf at the door arc) saying that namor was the first mutant, but I'm not sure exactly what she means. The internet has been not so clear with an answer for me.
So does he carry it, and is he indeed a mutant? If so can anyone name some issue references that I can go dig up with my metaphorical shovel??
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Post by Bob Reyer on Mar 10, 2015 5:32:06 GMT -5
I certainly remember sue (in the wolf at the door arc) saying that namor was the first mutant, but I'm not sure exactly what she means. The internet has been not so clear with an answer for me. So does he carry it, and is he indeed a mutant? If so can anyone name some issue references that I can go dig up with my metaphorical shovel?? Jonathan, You'd think it's all a clever bit of ret-conning, but the roots of that notion go way back in the Silver Age! When Stan and Jack created the "X-Men", the idea was with the rise of the Atomic Age, a new race was arising side-by-side whose split from homo sapiens was driven in large part by mutations caused by lingering radiation. (Stan must have loved all those Fifties Sci-Fi movies!) That drifted away pretty quickly, although some threads of it would turn up in the "X-Men Origins" back-up features, or in an occasional story. That "first mutant" thing is part of Marvel culture now (As if it's not enough that Namor is a hybrid, born of an Atlantean mother and human father, we have to make him a mutant, too!), but in Uncanny X-Men #6 back in 1964, both Professor X and Magneto seek out the Sub-Mariner, suspecting that he's a mutant. It's one of the best of the run, and the Magneto/Namor interaction is priceless, and some more of the seeds for Wanda's and Pietro's split with the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" are sown here-in.  Since the only other Atlanteans who share the little wings are Subby's cousin Namora (from the Forties) and her daughter Namorita (created in the Seventies by Bill Everrrett, the man behind Sub-Mariner), I'm supposing those wings (and their great strength) are the mutation that's "breeding true" through the family's genes? That's great comics, although I'm not so sure about the science, but since Charles and Erik both think Namor is a mutant, who am I to argue? (If memory serves, the origin of how his wings appeared--they just popped out!--was in a story told during Namor's brief revival in the early-Fifties, and which I read in a reprint some years later.) |
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Post by CaptainSuperior on Mar 10, 2015 6:14:00 GMT -5
I certainly remember sue (in the wolf at the door arc) saying that namor was the first mutant, but I'm not sure exactly what she means. The internet has been not so clear with an answer for me. So does he carry it, and is he indeed a mutant? If so can anyone name some issue references that I can go dig up with my metaphorical shovel?? Jonathan, You'd think it's all a clever bit of ret-conning, but the roots of that notion go way back in the Silver Age! When Stan and Jack created the "X-Men", the idea was with the rise of the Atomic Age, a new race was arising side-by-side that whose split from homo sapiens was driven in large part by mutations caused by lingering radiation. (Stan must have loved all those Fifties Sci-Fi movies!) That drifted away pretty quickly, although some threads of it would turn up in the "X-Men Origins" back-up features, or in an occasional story. That "first mutant" thing is part of Marvel culture now (As if it's not enough that Namor is a hybrid, born of an Atlantean mother and human father, we have to make him a mutant, too!), but in Uncanny X-Men #6 back in 1964, both Professor X and Magneto seek out the Sub-Mariner, suspecting that he's a mutant. It's one of the best of the run, and the Magneto/Namor interaction is priceless, and some more of the seeds for Wanda's and Pietro's split with the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" are sown here-in. Since the only other Atlanteans who share the little wings are Subby's cousin Namora (from the Forties) and her daughter Namorita (created in the Seventies by Bill Everrrett, the man behind Sub-Mariner), I'm supposing those wings (and their great strength) are the mutation that's "breeding true" through the family's genes? That's great comics, although I'm not so sure about the science, but since Charles and Erik both think Namor is a mutant, who am I to argue? (If memory serves, the origin of how his wings appeared--they just popped out!--was in a story told during Namor's brief revival in the early-Fifties, and which I read in a reprint some years later.) I've always thought of Namor and the people of Atlantis to be kind of an off-shoot, like the Inhumans kinda. Their mutation is ancient and somewhat gone dormant, while the x-men and the newer mutants are a different/newer gene mutation. Hope that makes some sense lol. |
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Post by Bob Reyer on Mar 10, 2015 7:18:20 GMT -5
Jonathan, You'd think it's all a clever bit of ret-conning, but the roots of that notion go way back in the Silver Age! When Stan and Jack created the "X-Men", the idea was with the rise of the Atomic Age, a new race was arising side-by-side whose split from homo sapiens was driven in large part by mutations caused by lingering radiation. (Stan must have loved all those Fifties Sci-Fi movies!) That drifted away pretty quickly, although some threads of it would turn up in the "X-Men Origins" back-up features, or in an occasional story. That "first mutant" thing is part of Marvel culture now (As if it's not enough that Namor is a hybrid, born of an Atlantean mother and human father, we have to make him a mutant, too!), but in Uncanny X-Men #6 back in 1964, both Professor X and Magneto seek out the Sub-Mariner, suspecting that he's a mutant. It's one of the best of the run, and the Magneto/Namor interaction is priceless, and some more of the seeds for Wanda's and Pietro's split with the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" are sown here-in. Since the only other Atlanteans who share the little wings are Subby's cousin Namora (from the Forties) and her daughter Namorita (created in the Seventies by Bill Everrrett, the man behind Sub-Mariner), I'm supposing those wings (and their great strength) are the mutation that's "breeding true" through the family's genes? That's great comics, although I'm not so sure about the science, but since Charles and Erik both think Namor is a mutant, who am I to argue? (If memory serves, the origin of how his wings appeared--they just popped out!--was in a story told during Namor's brief revival in the early-Fifties, and which I read in a reprint some years later.) I've always thought of Namor and the people of Atlantis to be kind of an off-shoot, like the Inhumans kinda. Their mutation is ancient and somewhat gone dormant, while the x-men and the newer mutants are a different/newer gene mutation. Hope that makes some sense lol. Cap, I like the way you think! You may have nailed it! |
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Post by jonathansoko on Mar 10, 2015 11:50:13 GMT -5
This all just adds to my confusion lol! There seems to be no definitive answer, altough someone recently rather adamently yelled at me telling me that he indeed carries the x gene. But he couldnt "remember" the issues that said it. Id love if marvel would let us know what exactly Namor is. Who says that an atlantean, unlike the rest of their people, can't be a mutant? And since he is half human, half atlantean, i see how it can be explaiend that he does have it.
AHHHHH i just wanna know! Im one of those people who is going to be pacing back and forth untill i know the answer lol. And since magneto and charles think so, thats what i will believe untill its sorted out i guess
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Post by Czor on Mar 22, 2015 18:40:57 GMT -5
From what I seen in other places, Namor's mutation is the wings on his feet and his ability to fly.
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Post by jonathansoko on Mar 22, 2015 22:49:51 GMT -5
From what I seen in other places, Namor's mutation is the wings on his feet and his ability to fly. Yeah we covered that part and it's understood. My question is that whether or not he carries the x gene. |
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Post by TealProductions on Apr 13, 2015 8:25:12 GMT -5
If someone is truly a mutant does that not inherently mean they carry the X gene?
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Post by TealProductions on Apr 13, 2015 11:19:50 GMT -5
I also understand the first mention of Namor being a mutant was in an early issue of X-men.
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