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Post by BringTheFunk on Feb 9, 2015 18:00:27 GMT -5
Hey ladies (and listeners),
During this show, one of you made a comment that I thought was interesting and worth digging deeper into. You were discussing Saga and Game of Thrones and how fans sometimes feel entitled or that they they "own" creators.. and that creators owe fans "more".
Of course no artist "owes" his fans anything... however, I think that fans/readers sometimes DO have a greater stake and claim to demand more from a creator. Especially when they establish a franchise or product like some comic lines or the Game of Thrones series.
Personally, I'm not one of those fans. However, I have heard how George R.R. Martin's books and the shows have entrenched readers and watchers so far, that they feel like they are really owed a payoff for all the time and money they have sunk into the show/books.
It's hard for me to phrase this post with the proper feeling.. bc I'm not totally onboard with that kind of thinking. But I DO think that some comics/GoT etc are a different product than, for example, an album, a painting, or a book/show/storyline that has a nice tight established ending... not an open-ended franchise, comic continuity, or TV show.
What are your thoughts on this?
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Post by hellocookie on Feb 9, 2015 18:09:13 GMT -5
I think this blog by Neil Gaiman really sums up a lot. I would obviously love for these authors to be held accountable for keeping a schedule but creativity can't be rushed otherwise you risk the overall quality. |
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Post by pacino on Feb 10, 2015 11:58:16 GMT -5
That's the exact argument I make with artists like David Aja. Or Chris Ware. Or whoever. Sometimes quality takes time.
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Post by BringTheFunk on Feb 10, 2015 20:06:07 GMT -5
I think this blog by Neil Gaiman really sums up a lot. I would obviously love for these authors to be held accountable for keeping a schedule but creativity can't be rushed otherwise you risk the overall quality. Thanks for the link Stephanie. As miserably frustrating it is to wait 4 months for new issues of Sandman Overture...I definitely would never want any part of that book to suffer for reaching a deadline. However, I feel like if you have a plan and product... As in Mr. Gaiman's case... maybe you shouldn't publish until you have a few months' of a new run's books in the can first. That book's quality aside... it feels like it's not a priority and readers pick up on this. Enthusiasm dies out. Sales suffer. Case in point: 2013's "Best of" - TC mentioned my prediction that Sandman Overture would be in 2014's Best of. And it was, quite fairly, laughed off because of the release schedule. And what do you know... the series wasn't even finished by December. It just kind of sucks when you have high hopes for a creator's work, you know? |
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Post by hellocookie on Feb 10, 2015 21:21:23 GMT -5
I think this blog by Neil Gaiman really sums up a lot. I would obviously love for these authors to be held accountable for keeping a schedule but creativity can't be rushed otherwise you risk the overall quality. Thanks for the link Stephanie. As miserably frustrating it is to wait 4 months for new issues of Sandman Overture...I definitely would never want any part of that book to suffer for reaching a deadline. However, I feel like if you have a plan and product... As in Mr. Gaiman's case... maybe you shouldn't publish until you have a few months' of a new run's books in the can first. That book's quality aside... it feels like it's not a priority and readers pick up on this. Enthusiasm dies out. Sales suffer. Case in point: 2013's "Best of" - TC mentioned my prediction that Sandman Overture would be in 2014's Best of. And it was, quite fairly, laughed off because of the release schedule. And what do you know... the series wasn't even finished by December. It just kind of sucks when you have high hopes for a creator's work, you know? But to be fair THERE, that wasn't Gaiman's fault... that was straight-up Vertigo's fault. They shouldn't have announced that title until they had at least three issues in the bag knowing how Gaiman works and they got trigger happy and made the announcement and released the issue virtually immediately after they had it. It pissed me off but that wasn't the creators fault so much as the publishers. |
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Post by BringTheFunk on Feb 10, 2015 22:53:18 GMT -5
I did NOT know that... I guess I got a little trigger happy myself pointing fingers at Gaiman specifically instead of the whole production and publishing team behind the book. But this is getting very specific to one book. I did read the blog post you linked and I totally see his point. I lean much farther on that side than on the entitled side. At the same time, I can also relate to feeling left high and dry as a reader.
Then again...sometimes that's the point. DUN-DUN-DUNNNNNNNNNNNN
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Post by hellocookie on Feb 10, 2015 23:07:23 GMT -5
I did NOT know that... I guess I got a little trigger happy myself pointing fingers at Gaiman specifically instead of the whole production and publishing team behind the book. But this is getting very specific to one book. I did read the blog post you linked and I totally see his point. I lean much farther on that side than on the entitled side. At the same time, I can also relate to feeling left high and dry as a reader. Then again...sometimes that's the point. DUN-DUN-DUNNNNNNNNNNNN Ha, I hear you. It's just the best example I can think of specific to what you're talking about!  |
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Post by lissapunch on Feb 22, 2015 16:29:04 GMT -5
I understand frustration with waiting for creative projects that have been promised and aren't arriving in a reasonable schedule. I can not agree, however, that artists "owe" anything to fans in the way of material being produced. If an artist doesn't finish a project that fans are deeply invested in, than that artists had better be ready to present a damn good explanation for the let down, but whether they even do that or not isn't as much of an obligation as it is just the right thing to do.
In other words, I guess I"m saying that while artists should be grateful and thankful when fans invest lots of time & money in to their projects, I can't agree at all with the attitude of being owed anything. A creation is just that and if you don't like the schedule an artists is keeping, you have every right to stop supporting them. Or write some fan fiction to fill in the blanks if the artist falls short of expectations.
Thanks for discussing this, it's really a great topic!
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