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Post by Bob Reyer on Nov 7, 2014 18:11:53 GMT -5
Great recommend by Bob for ST: TOS fans out there (if they’re any besides me). Just got my copy IDW’s ST: New Visions TPB & enjoyed it very much, especially the Time’s Echo story. Wow would that have made a great episode for Season 4 or even the animated series. Reading the photo-novel gave me the closest feeling of watching a lost episode that I somehow missed over the past 40 plus years. Also finally found the back issues (to date) of IDW’s ST: City on the Edge of Forever & am working my way through that with great delight. Any other IDW ST: TOS items out there any one (especially Bob) might recommend? I don’t have a LCS, so browsing the titles on the shelf is out for me. Therefore, the recommends from the forum & podcasts are extremely helpful to me. Thanks to all for that!! Ross, For me, John Byrne is the ST:TOS maven at IDW, so I'd recommend the HC (but cheap at Amazon second sellers!) Star Trek: The John Byrne Collection , which brings together JB's TOS minis "Crew" (with Number One!), "Assignment: Earth" (featuring new adventures of Gary Seven and Roberta Lincoln)," Romulans", and "Leonard McCoy: Frontier Doctor"--you won't be sorry!
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Post by Tony on Nov 10, 2014 16:40:49 GMT -5
I've been putting off doing this for a while now, but the time has come; I can'na hold it in any longer, Captain. In order, from best to worst.
TV:
1 - TNG 2 - DS9 3 - TOS 4 - The Animated Series
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Dead last - Enterprise/Voyager
notes: To me, The Original Series and DS9 are damn near tied below TNG, with the briefness of TOS helping it to avoid some of the more unfortunate melodramatic pitfalls of DS9, which ran too long and got too far up its own ass a bit in more than one way. But between them, DS9 barely gets the nod, because of the ridiculously rich, intricate world-and-history building, and the cast of relatively three-dimensional main and supporting characters that have been developed by the end of it, both on and off the station. TOS is a beautiful, succinct, shining jewel of science fiction, and I love it, but I probably love DS9 just teeeeeeeensy bit more.
Too, The Animated Series is criminally underrated, and I would encourage anyone who's even remotely fond of the crew and vibe of TOS to watch it through. It's still on Netflix Instant along with the rest of them, last I checked.
Tied for dead last: Enterprise was barely watchable, Bakula or no Bakula, (the characters were bland and annoying, the overarching plots of the series left much to be desired, and episode-by-episode it was very hard not to be overwhelmed by the trope-y, derivative, ridiculousness of it), and Voyager remains the most soul-crushingly disappointing television show of any sort to air in my lifetime, and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever not named Neelix or The Doctor, and even they weren't nearly enough to save it.
Film:
1 - VI: The Undiscovered Country 2 - II: The Wrath of Khan 3 - Generations 4 - First Contact
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5 - Star Trek 6 - Into Darkness 7 - IV: The Voyage Home
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8 - The Motion Picture 9 - Insurrection
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10 - III: The Search for Spock 11 - V: Final Frontier 12 - Nemesis
notes: The Top 4 in this list are tough to choose between, for me. Very, very difficult. I'm tempted to put Generations at the top, because some days it's my favorite, but it is, I suppose, more of a Captains vanity project than it is a solid, ensemble, Star Trek movie (though there certainly are some great ensemble parts in it, too). Khan is brilliant, tense, philosophical, Trek-melodrama done right, with that phenomenal ending, and would see the #1 spot on most people's lists, I wager (mine too, on the right day). And First Contact is another that, given the right mood, might be my favorite; such great humor in the face of Damoclesian peril, and so many great TNG moments in there, and a wonderful ending.
But I think it has to be VI: The Undiscovered Country in the top spot; it just has to be. It was the first one I saw in the theater, and it has so, soooooo many incredible moments and characters; The Great Chris Plummer as Chang, the Shakespearean Klingon warhawk, Kim Cattrall as Spock's protege, the original crew back and each of them given one or two glory moments and some wonderful lines (Sulu coming to the rescue at the last might be my favorite), and the overarching message and philosophy of it is maybe my favorite in all of Star Trek; the old warriors trying their best to walk a line of peace, sacrificing their grudges and prejudices and egos to forge a better future for us all. The way that all plays out is beyond brilliant, and it provides a fitting and apt send-off for the world and cast of TOS.
Also, even though i've rated it seventh, I'd like to say that seventh on this list is not a low number, such is my love for Star Trek in all its forms, and that it is now and has long been my assertion that IV: The Voyage Home is a particularly unfairly underrated entry in the series. It's Star Trek at its most slap-stick hilarious, and at its most environmentalist, and despite the overlong finale with the whale, I have a fierce fondness for it that has well-stood the test of time and rewatchings. Thus, as you can see, i've divided up the top group, the middle group, and the bottom group, and then separated III, V, and Nemesis from the lot, because those three are particularly unforgivably bad.
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Post by inspector854 on Feb 17, 2015 18:10:22 GMT -5
Since I don't have a LCS & can't browse the racks like days gone by I'd appeciate some input on IDW's TOS/Planet of the Apes crossover miniseries. Normally I don't go for these types of projects, but these are two my favorites from childhood. Since I need to order & have my comics shipped to me (I'm old school only read print copies) I wait until mini-series are complete to save on shipping. I undertand only two issues are out, but is this seies worth getting so far??
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Post by jonathansoko on Aug 25, 2015 16:26:00 GMT -5
I just watched for the first time ever, "city on the edge of forever" and i was pretty captivated by it. Im watching where no man has gone before, as we speak.
Because of my uncle ron, i always thought star trek was cool. His passwords to his computers, and networks were always ncc 1701 (dont tell him i told you). But latley, as is usual, bob's interests always seem to peak my interests. I think its because you remind me of my uncle ron. Anyways, im on a star trek kick today, since im on vacation, what better time to be? I really want to go back and dig up all the Byrne stuff you have been preaching on the show for a long time.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Aug 26, 2015 6:05:28 GMT -5
I just watched for the first time ever, "city on the edge of forever" and i was pretty captivated by it. Im watching where no man has gone before, as we speak. Because of my uncle ron, i always thought star trek was cool. His passwords to his computers, and networks were always ncc 1701 (dont tell him i told you). But latley, as is usual, bob's interests always seem to peak my interests. I think its because you remind me of my uncle ron. Anyways, im on a star trek kick today, since im on vacation, what better time to be? I really want to go back and dig up all the Byrne stuff you have been preaching on the show for a long time. Jonathan, There couldn't be a better way to begin your "Star Trek:TOS" experience! On the comic front, not only are the Byrne minis and photo-novels great, but IDW also did an adaptation of Harlan Ellison's original screenplay for "City...", that was excellent!  Scripted by Scott & David Tipton, it uses Mr. Ellison's original (and much-changed!) draft, including a different climax, some things that wouldn't have been "film-able" due to budget concerns, and some other bits that Gene Roddenberry thought were out of character for his show. That said, this book is a fascinating look into that "what if", and the art by J.K. Woodward is amazing: 
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Post by inspector854 on Jan 5, 2016 9:47:32 GMT -5
Star Trek TOS will be 50-years YOUNG in 2016. Uncle Bob & all of us old time Trek fans, how does everybody plan on commemorating the longevity of this beloved iconic show. I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to do, so give me some ideas please.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jan 5, 2016 16:18:30 GMT -5
Star Trek TOS will be 50-years YOUNG in 2016. Uncle Bob & all of us old time Trek fans, how does everybody plan on commemorating the longevity of this beloved iconic show. I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to do, so give me some ideas please. Ross, As most of us will be doing, I'll certainly be watching some favorite episodes during the year! Beyond that, let me recommend a DVD release from a few years back, Mind Meld , that features an amazing conversation/interview between William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy. Also, a must-see as well is the hilarious indie film Free Enterprise , a nerdist/sci-fi/rom-com featuring William Shatner that is actually respectful to all of us Trekkies, so that we can laugh with it!
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Post by inspector854 on Jan 5, 2016 16:34:45 GMT -5
Bob,
Thanks for the recommends, will check those shows out. I just stumbled across this, the British Star Trek strips will be reprinted in three hardcover volumes, starting in March 2016 with Star Trek: The Classic UK Comics—The Complete Series, Volume One (1969-1970), which will feature every Joe 90 story, as well as the first 64 TV21 issues. The rest will follow in volumes two and three, along with a bunch of cool bonuses like the L.A. Times strips, these long-lost gems look breathtaking in their restored form.
Think those volumes would be a good 50th anniversary addition to my trek comics collection.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jan 5, 2016 23:28:01 GMT -5
Bob, Thanks for the recommends, will check those shows out. I just stumbled across this, the British Star Trek strips will be reprinted in three hardcover volumes, starting in March 2016 with Star Trek: The Classic UK Comics—The Complete Series, Volume One (1969-1970), which will feature every Joe 90 story, as well as the first 64 TV21 issues. The rest will follow in volumes two and three, along with a bunch of cool bonuses like the L.A. Times strips, these long-lost gems look breathtaking in their restored form. Think those volumes would be a good 50th anniversary addition to my trek comics collection. Ross, I'll have to look into those--thanks so much for the "Heads up"!
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Post by inspector854 on Jan 9, 2016 12:05:30 GMT -5
Finally found one of Bob's recommends, IDW Star Trek John Byrne HC collection @ a LCS for $11 (used). Working my way through it this weekend in between watching the V (1983) mini-series on El Rey network, now this is my kind of weekend de-stresser! Byrne's puts out the best Trek comics hands down. You can tell in his writing that he loves & really knows the genre. This HC edition is 480-pages packed full of good stuff, highly second Bob's recommendation on this book. 
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jan 9, 2016 13:36:22 GMT -5
Finally found one of Bob's recommends, IDW Star Trek John Byrne HC collection @ a LCS for $11 (used). Working my way through it this weekend in between watching the V (1983) mini-series on El Rey network, now this is my kind of weekend de-stresser! Byrne's puts out the best Trek comics hands down. You can tell in his writing that he loves & really knows the genre. This HC edition is 480-pages packed full of good stuff, highly second Bob's recommendation on this book. Ross, I'm so glad that you're enjoying it! For me, reading John Byrne's Star Trek work is akin to watching lost episodes of the original TV series!
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Post by inspector854 on Jan 10, 2016 12:17:59 GMT -5
IDW Star Trek: Assignment: Earth, Issue 2, Yesterday, Today & Tomorrow story thats also in IDW Star Trek John Byrne Collection was excellent. The way it intertwined seamlessly with the original TOS episode was very entertaining. Especially for me being an Air Force Security Police Veteran myself, it'll be the closest that I'll ever get to being drawn in a comic book or getting a Vulcan neck pinch! For those of you who enjoyed DS9 Trials & Tribulations episode, you should seek out this issue & give it a read.
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Post by inspector854 on Jan 14, 2016 15:43:34 GMT -5
Bob,
Are the IDW Star Trek Gold Key Archives hard cover trades worth getting? I haven't read a Gold Key comic in 40-years & I don't remember too many great things about them. The IDW books look real nice, but with a very limited number of LCS in my area I don't have the benefit of leafing through one them before buying it. If you have (or anyone else out there) checked them out, could you please give me your opinion on them. Thanks!
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jan 14, 2016 23:52:24 GMT -5
Bob, Are the IDW Star Trek Gold Key Archives hard cover trades worth getting? I haven't read a Gold Key comic in 40-years & I don't remember too many great things about them. The IDW books look real nice, but with a very limited number of LCS in my area I don't have the benefit of leafing through one them before buying it. If you have (or anyone else other there) checked them out, could you please give me your opinion on them. Thanks! Ross, I'd say that, even if you're a Trek completist, wait for these to go on very deep discount, as they're pretty underwhelming in both story and art. I did thumb through them, as I had the same urge that you did, but I fought it off!
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Post by inspector854 on Jan 28, 2016 18:14:18 GMT -5
Bob,
Are any of the non Byrne's IDW TOS Star Trek back issues or trades worth getting? The current IDW Trek series features the re-imagined crew, but I would prefer reading titles based on the orginal cast. As always, I appreciate your expertise in this area.
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