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Post by WiccanBeyond on May 23, 2014 17:51:05 GMT -5
Hey, just tossing this one out there and wanted to get some thoughts on it. I've heard Marvel NOW! referred to (perhaps casually) as a reboot. I don't know if that's completely fair though. All their continuity is still in place, but all their books were given a new direction. It wasn't a complete reset button in the vein of the New 52. For example, Warren Ellis' new take on Moon Knight still makes references to the Bendis and Huston run before it. And I am confident that where there are questions about various new status quo, there will be answers forth coming.
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Post by Bob Reyer on May 23, 2014 19:03:04 GMT -5
Hey, just tossing this one out there and wanted to get some thoughts on it. I've heard Marvel NOW! referred to (perhaps casually) as a reboot. I don't know if that's completely fair though. All their continuity is still in place, but all their books were given a new direction. It wasn't a complete reset button in the vein of the New 52. For example, Warren Ellis' new take on Moon Knight still makes references to the Bendis and Huston run before it. And I am confident that where there are questions about various new status quo, there will be answers forth coming. Wiccan, An informal welcome to the Forums through this question and answer! Neither the first Marvel Now! nor the recent additions are a re-boot, because as you rightly point out, Marvel continuity is still intact, and begins with Professor Horton's android Human Torch and Namor, the Sub-Mariner, created by Carl Burgos and Bill Everrett respectively, in Marvel Comics #1 back in 1939, and who appear monthly in All-New Invaders. Marvel hasn't ever re-booted, although they flirted with it during the "Heroes Reborn" mess back in the Nineties, but went back to business-as-usual. I am hearing some rumblings about the end of Jonathan Hickman's "Avengers/New Avengers" run, though! |
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Post by CaptainSuperior on May 23, 2014 22:11:07 GMT -5
Hey, just tossing this one out there and wanted to get some thoughts on it. I've heard Marvel NOW! referred to (perhaps casually) as a reboot. I don't know if that's completely fair though. All their continuity is still in place, but all their books were given a new direction. It wasn't a complete reset button in the vein of the New 52. For example, Warren Ellis' new take on Moon Knight still makes references to the Bendis and Huston run before it. And I am confident that where there are questions about various new status quo, there will be answers forth coming. Wiccan, An informal welcome to the Forums through this question and answer! Neither the first Marvel Now! nor the recent additions are a re-boot, because as you rightly point out, Marvel continuity is still intact, and begins with Professor Horton's android Human Torch and Namor, the Sub-Mariner, created by Carl Burgos and Bill Everrett respectively, in Marvel Comics #1 back in 1939, and who appear monthly in All-New Invaders. Marvel hasn't ever re-booted, although they flirted with it during the "Heroes Reborn" mess back in the Nineties, but went back to business-as-usual. I am hearing some rumblings about the end of Jonathan Hickman's "Avengers/New Avengers" run, though! I've heard rumblings as well, of Hickman's run bringing about a reboot. I just don't know how that would be a smart move. |
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Post by WiccanBeyond on May 23, 2014 23:24:46 GMT -5
Thank you for the welcome, long time listener, new to the forums. I am kinda shy about forums, because, you know, the internet. I too have seen the Hickman "Time Runs Out" speculation, but I have to think that Marvel is very aware of the negative reaction to the New 52. Granted, I will give Warner/DC that the N52 allowed a continuity-free entry point for new readers, but as a long time comic reader who felt like the Levitz universe was his home turf, the N52 caused me to quit comics save for Journey into Mystery, Avengers: Children's Crusade and Greg Rucka (which was a bit rough since I worked at a comic shop at the time).
I was not around to have seen the creation to the aftermath of Crisis on Infinite Earths, I am curious though, if there was an internet, if the reaction to that was or would have been similar to that of N52. I don't wish DC any ill will, but I do miss reading about the Teen Titans, whose adventures I started to follow when I was kid and my local comic shop sold a complete set of the Wolfman/Perez run for only $9.99. I was also spoiled though, because the Titans were one of the few titles untouched by the original Crisis.
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Post by Bob Reyer on May 24, 2014 8:07:05 GMT -5
Thank you for the welcome, long time listener, new to the forums. I am kinda shy about forums, because, you know, the internet. I too have seen the Hickman "Time Runs Out" speculation, but I have to think that Marvel is very aware of the negative reaction to the New 52. Granted, I will give Warner/DC that the N52 allowed a continuity-free entry point for new readers, but as a long time comic reader who felt like the Levitz universe was his home turf, the N52 caused me to quit comics save for Journey into Mystery, Avengers: Children's Crusade and Greg Rucka (which was a bit rough since I worked at a comic shop at the time). I was not around to have seen the creation to the aftermath of Crisis on Infinite Earths, I am curious though, if there was an internet, if the reaction to that was or would have been similar to that of N52. I don't wish DC any ill will, but I do miss reading about the Teen Titans, whose adventures I started to follow when I was kid and my local comic shop sold a complete set of the Wolfman/Perez run for only $9.99. I was also spoiled though, because the Titans were one of the few titles untouched by the original Crisis. Jamie, Even without the internet, there was quite a bit of teeth-gnashing over the CoIE and what a "combined Earth" would mean to continuity. DC tried to hedge their bets to keep some of us veterans buying, as the characters were virtually the same at their core, and their histories were close enough to what had come before that you could feel as if you were still reading about the same characters, so not the total re-boot it could have been, as you point out about Teen Titans, or as they've done in the years since, particularly with the New 52. (Some while back, we had a listener question about CoIE, the answer to which became an essay you might want to check out! ) Joe Quesada has often stated his aversion to re-booting Marvel's continuity, so I'm thinking that notion has trickled down to Axel Alonzo; there may be an "adjustment", but I think a full re-start would cause more harm than good. Heck, all these new "#1" issues are confusing readers already, can you imagine a line-wide roll-out? |
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Post by WiccanBeyond on May 24, 2014 10:01:02 GMT -5
I know this might be a little taboo, but I am not against the idea of seasonal new #1s. As much as I love seeing titles make it to the 600s, 800s and beyond, I know the companies are trying to find more ways to make comics accessible to a wider audience, and for whatever reasons, large issue numbers cause people to shy away. I think, especially in Marvel's case they are going to get more and more comfortable doing books seasonally (ala Young Avengers, Moon Knight, X-Force). It could get to the point of 2015 gets 12 issues numbered 1-12 and 2016 gets its own 1-12. I actually thought when Marvel did, say for Avengers, put "Rogue Planet #1" in the corner it was rather helpful. Jonathan Hickman went a little rogue himself and said it wasn't a good jumping on point, but that's what I love about him.
A full-line reboot, no I can't see that. Divorce by Mephisto, sure. A reboot no. I think it will be a little like Marvel NOW! It will give them an opportunity to shuffle characters around.
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