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Post by scouts1998 on Apr 27, 2014 21:50:59 GMT -5
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Post by CaptainSuperior on Apr 27, 2014 22:37:02 GMT -5
lol Warner Brothers is really going to put the entire DC franchise in the hands of one man? Batman / Superman and the Justice Leauge are gearing up to be real sink or swim projects.
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Post by tomoe on Apr 28, 2014 1:48:38 GMT -5
You know, I'm really trying to think of something positive to say....I'm sure there's something....
um, at least they can't destroy Metropolis again since it's already in ruins...no, that's not really positive...
The characters in the comic books will still have more vivacity and personality than those on the screen...maybe that's a little harsh, it really does depend on the book...
Wait, wait, wait! Don't ban me! Don't ban me! I've got it! Maybe they'll have really interesting interpretations of the lesser known heroes and villains. ...and have completely different origin stories, motivations, or characteristics....
Seriously, I've got nothing. I must be missing something. Help me out here, surely there's something I can look forward to?
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Post by scouts1998 on Apr 28, 2014 1:50:12 GMT -5
You know, I'm really trying to think of something positive to say....I'm sure there's something.... um, at least they can't destroy Metropolis again since it's already in ruins...no, that's not really positive... The characters in the comic books will still have more vivacity and personality than those on the screen...maybe that's a little harsh, it really does depend on the book... Wait, wait, wait! Don't ban me! Don't ban me! I've got it! Maybe they'll have really interesting interpretations of the lesser known heroes and villains. ...and have completely different origin stories, motivations, or characteristics.... Seriously, I've got nothing. I must be missing something. Help me out here, surely there's something I can look forward to? Metal Men movie?
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Post by tomoe on Apr 28, 2014 2:15:51 GMT -5
You know, I'm really trying to think of something positive to say....I'm sure there's something.... um, at least they can't destroy Metropolis again since it's already in ruins...no, that's not really positive... The characters in the comic books will still have more vivacity and personality than those on the screen...maybe that's a little harsh, it really does depend on the book... Wait, wait, wait! Don't ban me! Don't ban me! I've got it! Maybe they'll have really interesting interpretations of the lesser known heroes and villains. ...and have completely different origin stories, motivations, or characteristics.... Seriously, I've got nothing. I must be missing something. Help me out here, surely there's something I can look forward to? Metal Men movie? I've got it! The action sequences won't be boring (exhausting, maybe, but not boring).
You're right, I'd better start reading up on the Metal Men...
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Post by scouts1998 on Apr 28, 2014 3:03:40 GMT -5
It also annoys me that there are no plans for a Wonder Woman film. except have a live action film
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Post by Bob Reyer on Apr 28, 2014 6:15:53 GMT -5
It also annoys me that there are no plans for a Wonder Woman film. except have a live action film Brandon, I'm torn, because I certainly want to see a big-budget Wonder Woman film, but one that is respectful to the origin, history, and importance of the character of the Amazon Princess, and I'm not so sure that the current DC cinematic brain-trust can deliver that. The animated feature of some years back (whose original story had contributions from Gail Simone) was a fairly good modernization, if a bit on the violent side. For me personally, as an introduction, I think I'd like to see something with the tone and tenor of Joe Johnston's Captain America, and even set the start of the film in the WW II era, and then bring it into the current day, with a Diana returning to "Man's World" to battle the evils she thought vanquished decades before.
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Post by scouts1998 on Apr 28, 2014 7:59:41 GMT -5
It also annoys me that there are no plans for a Wonder Woman film. except have a live action film Brandon, I'm torn, because I certainly want to see a big-budget Wonder Woman film, but one that is respectful to the origin, history, and importance of the character of the Amazon Princess, and I'm not so sure that the current DC cinematic brain-trust can deliver that. The animated feature of some years back (whose original story had contributions from Gail Simone) was a fairly good modernization, if a bit on the violent side. For me personally, as an introduction, I think I'd like to see something with the tone and tenor of Joe Johnston's Captain America, and even set the start of the film in the WW II era, and then bring it into the current day, with a Diana returning to "Man's World" to battle the evils she thought vanquished decades before. I highly doubt Snyder will be related to it in a directing role. As for who might be able to do it right i can't think of anyone off the top of my head and no one who is known for making movies with strong female leads. But if Nolan was to do it would be a very interesting result. ***Unrelated to the rest of the thread*** Also while i have your attention what are your thoughts on Lana Lang and have you read Greg Pak's Action Comics yet because it is finally someone doing Superman and Lana Lang right in the New 52? I enjoy the character in stories like "For All Seasons" and Greg Pak's Action Comics but she is a pain to watch in smallville.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Apr 28, 2014 9:00:15 GMT -5
Brandon, I'm torn, because I certainly want to see a big-budget Wonder Woman film, but one that is respectful to the origin, history, and importance of the character of the Amazon Princess, and I'm not so sure that the current DC cinematic brain-trust can deliver that. The animated feature of some years back (whose original story had contributions from Gail Simone) was a fairly good modernization, if a bit on the violent side. For me personally, as an introduction, I think I'd like to see something with the tone and tenor of Joe Johnston's Captain America, and even set the start of the film in the WW II era, and then bring it into the current day, with a Diana returning to "Man's World" to battle the evils she thought vanquished decades before. I highly doubt Snyder will be related to it in a directing role. As for who might be able to do it right i can't think of anyone off the top of my head and no one who is known for making movies with strong female leads. But if Nolan was to do it would be a very interesting result. ***Unrelated to the rest of the thread*** Also while i have your attention what are your thoughts on Lana Lang and have you read Greg Pak's Action Comics yet because it is finally someone doing Superman and Lana Lang right in the New 52? I enjoy the character in stories like "For All Seasons" and Greg Pak's Action Comics but she is a pain to watch in smallville. Brandon, To me, there are three comic book characters that represent something other than fighting crime or super-villains; they stand for an pure ideal of heroism and nobility, and they are Captain America, Superman, and Wonder Woman. Of late, we've seen Cap done nearly perfectly, but as you know, I feel that the Nolan/Goyer/Snyder "Man of Steel" strayed too far off-model, so I'd be much happier if they thought out-of-the-box, and perhaps asked someone like Kathryn Bigelow from "Hurt Locker" and "Strange Days". ps) I've read some of those Action issues, and Lana is handled well; if you add the recent portrayals of Lois by both Marguerite Bennett and Kelly Sue DeConnick, those ladies are experiencing a renaissance!
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Post by angelus104 on Apr 28, 2014 9:58:44 GMT -5
I'll say what I say every time. I didn't like Man of Steel, but in sharp contrast I've really enjoyed everything else Zach Snyder has ever done.
I like the idea of them trying to create a cohesive universe under one man's vision. It's what they have done over at Marvel except that man (Kevin Fiege) is behind the scenes.
Is it the vision I want most? Not really Do I wish things were brighter and more positive? Absolutely. I understand them trying to reflect a more cynical age. They want it to be more "real" but for me when it comes to these films I'll take heart stirring heroics any day.
That being said. I think the casts they are assembling are pretty fantastic and despite our initial fears they aren't rushing things to the screen. In fact they are taking their time. Which might leave them short of the zeitgeist but could equal better films.
Will those films be for me? Maybe not but there are people who genuinely love Man of Steel and I'm no more right for disliking it then they are for liking it.
Also guys they just announced a Justice League movie. Let's not be too cranky to realize how cool that is.
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Post by CaptainSuperior on Apr 28, 2014 10:22:30 GMT -5
I'll say what I say every time. I didn't like Man of Steel, but in sharp contrast I've really enjoyed everything else Zach Snyder has ever done. I like the idea of them trying to create a cohesive universe under one man's vision. It's what they have done over at Marvel except that man (Kevin Fiege) is behind the scenes. Is it the vision I want most? Not really Do I wish things were brighter and more positive? Absolutely. I understand them trying to reflect a more cynical age. They want it to be more "real" but for me when it comes to these films I'll take heart stirring heroics any day. That being said. I think the casts they are assembling are pretty fantastic and despite our initial fears they aren't rushing things to the screen. In fact they are taking their time. Which might leave them short of the zeitgeist but could equal better films. Will those films be for me? Maybe not but there are people who genuinely love Man of Steel and I'm no more right for disliking it then they are for liking it. Also guys they just announced a Justice League movie. Let's not be too cranky to realize how cool that is. I think the major difference between Fiege and Snyder is the fact that Fiege is serving in a producer capacity rather than a Director and Producer. The fact that Fiege is working on a shared vision with multiple directors across several films, I personally feel, prevents "tunnel vision" and becoming entrenched in one man's interpretation of these events and characters.
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Post by angelus104 on Apr 28, 2014 10:37:09 GMT -5
I think the major difference between Fiege and Snyder is the fact that Fiege is serving in a producer capacity rather than a Director and Producer. The fact that Fiege is working on a shared vision with multiple directors across several films, I personally feel, prevents "tunnel vision" and becoming entrenched in one man's interpretation of these events and characters. [/quote] I agree but they are working from different sources. Marcel's main characters were conceived or reconceived by the same man over one short period of time. They belong together and easily fit. DC is made up of disparate characters created by different people over a log period of time. There is some amount of singularity that needs to happen in making these characters share a universe. I also think if you like the Snyder Man of Steel that tunnel vision isn't so bad. But if you are like me (and it seems you) we worry. I don't know if these films are going to be worth a damn, but to be snarky and just dismiss them is not doing any service to the discussion.
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Post by CaptainSuperior on Apr 28, 2014 10:52:08 GMT -5
I think the major difference between Fiege and Snyder is the fact that Fiege is serving in a producer capacity rather than a Director and Producer. The fact that Fiege is working on a shared vision with multiple directors across several films, I personally feel, prevents "tunnel vision" and becoming entrenched in one man's interpretation of these events and characters. I agree but they are working from different sources. Marcel's main characters were conceived or reconceived by the same man over one short period of time. They belong together and easily fit. DC is made up of disparate characters created by different people over a log period of time. There is some amount of singularity that needs to happen in making these characters share a universe. I also think if you like the Snyder Man of Steel that tunnel vision isn't so bad. But if you are like me (and it seems you) we worry. I don't know if these films are going to be worth a damn, but to be snarky and just dismiss them is not doing any service to the discussion. [/quote] Personally I really would like to see DC and Warner Brothers make a very successful franchise out of their properties. I definitely have my reservations and worries for much of the same reasons. I went to see Man of Steel three times to try and determine how I really felt about the movie. I really worry, due to all the reports, that the 2 confirmed DC films are going to become extremely bloated with new characters. Which Amazing Spider-man seems to also be falling victim too as well. I just don't want the films to flop because studios such as Fox, Sony, and WB are trying to play catch-up with Disney/Marvel and put out a product just to compete in the superhero market and not give the material and characters a fair shot at an equally amazing franchise.
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Post by tomoe on Apr 28, 2014 12:58:07 GMT -5
The closest I've ever come to actually liking a Zach Snyder film was Man of Steel, and the more I think about it, the more it infuriates me. My entire future relationship with the DC films is doomed. I'm going to wallow in my misery and read back issues of old DC comics to remind myself of how cool the characters could have been on film.
Actually, that sounds pretty pathetic (and I'm already doing that with the Fantastic Four). Let's have some fun.
Any Justice League movie is going to be saturated with superheroes. We already know they've got Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman and Cyborg. What lesser known superhero do you think would be fun to throw into the mix. Since they seem to equate "realistic" with dark, gritty, broody and morally questionable (which works really well for Batman), do you think they're going to try to shoehorn in the traditional, colorful powerhouses of the original league, or do you think they might go for a few of the "street level" fighters? Personally, I'm going to route for a Wildcat comeback.
Also, what do you think the crisis will be that will band them together? Alien invader (STARRO!), attack by a previously unknown advanced civilization (Atlanteans), some kind of crazed group of superpowered beings led by Lex Luthor (you know you want a return of the Legion of Doom, admit it), or something realistic (climate change, plague, natural catastrophe power grid meltdowns or killer asteroid from space)?
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Post by Mighty Milton on Apr 28, 2014 22:20:42 GMT -5
Let's not forget about all the other exciting new DC related films that are in production that no one cares about! Metal Men? C'mon WB! Don't get me wrong, I like the Metal Men and actually no who they are as opposed to 99% of the movie audience. When it comes down to the question of would I rather have a Metal Men movie over a Wonder Woman movie? Or Flash? Forget about it! DC gets it wrong again, congrats!
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