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Post by wylietimes on Apr 25, 2014 18:20:53 GMT -5
Good podcast this week as it got me through a chunk of the work day and gave me some thoughts.
Steph: Lady Cave doesn't sound right but I was thinking Lady Lair. I think it was Wonka who said "Alliteration now and then is treasured by the wisest men."
Good on Justin for reading that aloud as hearing it spoken stresses how vile it is even more than when I read it myself.
There is nothing good about threatening rape and being despicable. And to throw the term lesbo out there in those threats to her really rankles me. My cousin and her wife have a beautiful marriage and life together that is as fulfilling or more than most marriages. Trashing lifestyles and threatening rape is not the way for fans to celebrate comics about being the best of humanity. It makes me sad.
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Post by Blencs on Apr 26, 2014 12:10:38 GMT -5
Great podcast as usual, Justin did a great job in Steve's place as I knew he would from listening to the reading clubs. I had not heard about the front cover controversy and applaud you for confronting it head on. What bobby said about not wanting people with such warped views listening to the podcast was a great fist pump moment on my own 30ft up on a roof. (I'm a roofer) keep up the good work and the values that make you the Captain America of podcasts. :-)
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Post by skylynx on Apr 27, 2014 6:58:37 GMT -5
Hey, what happened to Windblade???  Not had chance to listen to the podcast yet bit looks like it didn't make book of the week status. Still, great to hear it mentioned on the previous show at least. It's a fantastic first issue with some stunning artwork. Would be a great starting place to check out the Transformers universe. You may want to listen to the cast. Just listened to the first half of the show. Love the new lightening round. Works great! It was really encouraging to hear Stephanie talk about Windblade, as she isn't a Transformers reader. The book is a great place to start after the Dark Cybertron event. You're not really missing anything with the character if this is the first time you've read a TF book. She was introduced in Dark Cybertron, but her personality wasn't fleshed out there too much. Looks like we'll be learning all about her in this mini series. I found the artwork fantastic too, especially considering this is Sarah Stone's first comic work (and yes she did the colours). looking forward to listening to the rest of the show. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 17:57:26 GMT -5
This show was amazing (week late response aside) and I had no idea about this review/bullying story until listening to the show so thanks for bringing it up.
Its times like this where I truly wish that something along the lines of BKV's Private Eye would happen where everyones information would be made public, all their internet history made known, all their comments etc because people like this make me embarrassed to be part of such a community. As Steph said, this is NOT acceptable anywhere. But 90% of the people I overhear in comicbook stores and read comments online are, not nessicarily this extreme of a psycho, but they're getting there.
As you guys mentioned, the Talking Comics community is amazing and since this forum has gone up I don't think I've come across one bit of bullying or negativity towards someone else in the forum and thats incredible. But if only the rest of the comic book world could be like this. It really bothers me that a community based on, as Bob said, heroism, can be so hateful. I go into any of my local comic book stores and 9 times out of 10 will be standing in line behind a guy who is complaining and complaining and COMPLAINING about the latest movie or one of the publishers or even one of the very books he's freaking buying and it makes me embarassed. Because comics have become a very popular thing now with these movies coming out and more and more people are coming into it. And people see this attitude and think "Oh so if I'm going to read comics I need to have a negative opinion on everything. Okay I'll do that." Because I've seen it happen so many times. People I know full well have never picked up a single comic book in their life have now opened their mind to this world and rather than enjoy it like they should, they take it as a way to repeat some stupid crap they read on the internet about this director doing this and this guy not doing it more like the comic and blah blah blah.
The same logic can be applied to comics and movies and so on, and that is if you hate it so much why don't you make it? A guy I know who hated the Sam Raimi Spider-Man's say he wishes the new ones were more like them. I read someone saying that Man of Steel was like a bad highschool project movie. Like all other critisisms aside, really? Alright. Go and make one better. Stop letting it ruin your day and take something positive from it.
The whole reason you guys have this podcast is because you love this stuff and want to talk about it and bounce off other people. And thats how I feel when I read something I love, I just want to share my excitement. But its become so hard to do that without some idiot throwing it in my face and berading it. Its gotten to the point where I pick the quiet time of day to go into the store, pick up my order, and walk out because I don't want to put up with hearing this stuff anymore. That is not how it should be.
Sorry for making it all negative again. But to your credit, this forum has become probably the last place to actually speak honestly about happily about these things.
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Post by Bob Reyer on May 1, 2014 8:57:56 GMT -5
This show was amazing (week late response aside) and I had no idea about this review/bullying story until listening to the show so thanks for bringing it up. Its times like this where I truly wish that something along the lines of BKV's Private Eye would happen where everyones information would be made public, all their internet history made known, all their comments etc because people like this make me embarrassed to be part of such a community. As Steph said, this is NOT acceptable anywhere. But 90% of the people I overhear in comicbook stores and read comments online are, not nessicarily this extreme of a psycho, but they're getting there. As you guys mentioned, the Talking Comics community is amazing and since this forum has gone up I don't think I've come across one bit of bullying or negativity towards someone else in the forum and thats incredible. But if only the rest of the comic book world could be like this. It really bothers me that a community based on, as Bob said, heroism, can be so hateful. I go into any of my local comic book stores and 9 times out of 10 will be standing in line behind a guy who is complaining and complaining and COMPLAINING about the latest movie or one of the publishers or even one of the very books he's freaking buying and it makes me embarassed. Because comics have become a very popular thing now with these movies coming out and more and more people are coming into it. And people see this attitude and think "Oh so if I'm going to read comics I need to have a negative opinion on everything. Okay I'll do that." Because I've seen it happen so many times. People I know full well have never picked up a single comic book in their life have now opened their mind to this world and rather than enjoy it like they should, they take it as a way to repeat some stupid crap they read on the internet about this director doing this and this guy not doing it more like the comic and blah blah blah. The same logic can be applied to comics and movies and so on, and that is if you hate it so much why don't you make it? A guy I know who hated the Sam Raimi Spider-Man's say he wishes the new ones were more like them. I read someone saying that Man of Steel was like a bad highschool project movie. Like all other critisisms aside, really? Alright. Go and make one better. Stop letting it ruin your day and take something positive from it. The whole reason you guys have this podcast is because you love this stuff and want to talk about it and bounce off other people. And thats how I feel when I read something I love, I just want to share my excitement. But its become so hard to do that without some idiot throwing it in my face and berading it. Its gotten to the point where I pick the quiet time of day to go into the store, pick up my order, and walk out because I don't want to put up with hearing this stuff anymore. That is not how it should be. Sorry for making it all negative again. But to your credit, this forum has become probably the last place to actually speak honestly about happily about these things. Benjamin, Thanks so much for the kind words about our humble efforts in addressing this important issue. There are so many positive things happening in the world of comics and its fan-base, that it is a true shame that such vile behavior exists which tars all of us with that same brush of ignorance. As the overwhelmingly vast majority of the comics world doesn't act in this heinous manner, if we make certain to point out the miscreants, perhaps as our side of the scale grows ever-larger in number, they'll slink away in shame at long last, or at least find themselves so muted in their ability to provoke controversy as to be irrelevant. I will continue to shout from the metaphorical roof-top how proud I am to be a part of this community, as our Talking Comics family of friends never fails to be supportive and accepting, no matter the subject! |
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Post by scouts1998 on May 2, 2014 6:02:00 GMT -5
 Me after hearing that comment made about the cover. I hate people who think the internet is a mask. Even though it isn't in person it's still bulling. I have brought a comic by the amount revealed by a female on the cover and people who do this are people who shouldn't be aloud in the involved in the medium as people like that don't exists (i hope) I'm a guy but i'm not a 25 year old who lives in a basement who like star quest, sporg the comic and D&D. I'm a guy who is nearly 16 and i am doing something every weekend weather it be with sports or scouts. When ever i'm at school i might read some comics and it has one panel with a revealing woman people nag me because they still think the industry is that way. Also the basement dwellers are from the movies, what else do DC and Marvel (mainly DC) think come from movies? Every woman looking like megan fox? Dragons? Every man looking like Bradley Cooper? Jedis? That the economy is great and that everyone can afford all 52 (or whatever it is) DC are releasing? PEOPLE STOP BEING DICKS! AND DC. GET YOUR GAME TOGETHER! (i'm sorry for my discussion turing against DC. I still read DC books) Also Bobby, Superman Doomed only has 2 issues with lobdell's superman is involved in. as he is leaving for Johns and Romita Jr.. So i will only buy the 2nd of the issues because the first one is a prologue and i can miss out on it. I know how bad Lobdell's Superman is. |
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Post by TealProductions on May 2, 2014 8:42:40 GMT -5
Tri-Con is very low key. They have large isles and pretty much the only waiting will be if you get there before the doors open. Once everything is going it's pretty chill.
Several nearby places to eat in town. Parking may be a little tricky if you don't know Huntington. Pullman Square a couple blocks down should have anything non con related you might look for. Food, parking, entertainment etc.
Honestly a couple hours should be enough to walk through everything and then you can go back for the more interesting stuff.
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Post by pacino on May 2, 2014 8:43:53 GMT -5
Great to see how CBR responded! People are able to discuss comics here without insulting each other, surely CBR can, too.
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Post by Bob Reyer on May 2, 2014 8:56:38 GMT -5
Great to see how CBR responded! People are able to discuss comics here without insulting each other, surely CBR can, too. Chris, That was a great letter that the CBR chief Jonah Weiland posted, wasn't it? To quote the old Chinese adage, "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"; perhaps that journey to a safer, saner internet community began here, with you fine people of the Talking Comics Forums? |
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Post by nikcel on May 4, 2014 20:18:50 GMT -5
Hello fellow Talking Comics fans,
I am, possibly, the newest addition to the forums and am excited for great conversation. Now, I do not want to harm anyones feelings here and will tread delicately as this could be for some of you a more real and personal topic, but I have always had slightly different tactics when it comes to bullying. First of all, I'd like to point out that it is not right for these people to treat other people that way, but I don't think many things in this world are right. Now I applaud the fight against internet bullying and whoever supports it, but my tactics has always been "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me". This is not always the case, of course, but (for me) as long as someone is not personally close to me names have never hurt me to a high extent. Also I believe that all this name-calling and threats are not completely serious, but an outburst of anger for a reaction. If you do not give a reaction then the outburst is neutralized. My tactic however does not solve the problem though because, in my opinion, there never will be an all loving world wide community without the controlling of the internet or the stripping the freedom of speech which I would never want. So I just say buckle down and as long as you believe what your doing is for the good then it will come across.
Thanks for listening,
Nicolas
If this offends anyone that is not my goal and I apologize, but it is my opinion and I'd love to discuss further.
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Post by Bob Reyer on May 5, 2014 0:01:45 GMT -5
Hello fellow Talking Comics fans, I am, possibly, the newest addition to the forums and am excited for great conversation. Now, I do not want to harm anyones feelings here and will tread delicately as this could be for some of you a more real and personal topic, but I have always had slightly different tactics when it comes to bullying. First of all, I'd like to point out that it is not right for these people to treat other people that way, but I don't think many things in this world are right. Now I applaud the fight against internet bullying and whoever supports it, but my tactics has always been "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me". This is not always the case, of course, but (for me) as long as someone is not personally close to me names have never hurt me to a high extent. Also I believe that all this name-calling and threats are not completely serious, but an outburst of anger for a reaction. If you do not give a reaction then the outburst is neutralized. My tactic however does not solve the problem though because, in my opinion, there never will be an all loving world wide community without the controlling of the internet or the stripping the freedom of speech which I would never want. So I just say buckle down and as long as you believe what your doing is for the good then it will come across. Thanks for listening, Nicolas If this offends anyone that is not my goal and I apologize, but it is my opinion and I'd love to discuss further. Nicolas, I can only wish for that perfect situation where an internet bully, once ignored, would simply disappear; but in the way of the schoolyard, that bully will simply find another target. So although I appreciate your thought to a certain level, I can't agree that at this late stage of the problem, an attempt at deflection is the best attempt at a solution. Realizing of course, that a total cessation of these horrid activities is not likely to be possible, I still feel we need to be more pro-active as men in calling out the inappropriate behavior of our fellows in hopes of stemming the tide by eventually isolating those who engage in these attacks by not leaving them a safe haven. There comes a time when this behavior can't be ignored, or written off as harmless "banter", when we have all read of far-too-many cases where people have chosen to take their own lives rather than endure one more day of torture through the aether. As our Forum family member tomoe posted, using a quote from Australia's Chief of the Army Lieutenant General David Morrison "The standard you walk past is the standard you accept", so for all of us who loathe what's happening, it is our duty as thinking, feeling human beings to make it a point to speak up, or be complicit in their continuance. There are many larger societal issues at work here in the internet attacks on these women and their livelihoods, top-lined by the assertion of power and privilege in a gendered way from men perhaps threatened by a change in the staus quo, a change which hardly justifies creating an environment of intimidation through harassment or out-and-out hate speech, or as in the specific case of Ms. Asselin, threats of violence and rape, letters to her employers, and attempts to pry into her personal and private life, including efforts to hack into her bank account! I would suggest that these are far past the methods of someone looking to provoke a reaction simply for the sake of "fun", but were a malicious effort to de-humanize her, and all over her critique of a comic book cover? Forgetting for a moment the heinous nature of these electronic broadsides, I think your "sticks-and-stones" approach might have some merit, but the fact that these attacks become public, and so widely and so quickly, make it nigh unto impossible to keep things localized enough where it might dissipate before reaching a critical mass. To my mind, this necessitates a stronger approach; in this case, the use of outside pressure as a prophylactic and isolating measure, as there are so many more good-thinking people about that if we assert our sheer force of numbers, we can turn the tide! Nicolas, thank you for the thought-provoking post, and I hope that my response can shed some light on my thoughts on this important matter. (As a coda, let me say that I don't believe that by your question you've offended anyone, you're merely stating an opinion based on a strategy that has been effective for you, hoping to add to the discussion. So, no worries! rrr) |
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