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Post by Raider30 on May 31, 2014 17:11:01 GMT -5
Well....just finished #5 and all I've got to say is what a total waste of a comic book. The story was just awful, the trial stuff was just ridiculous as was taking the kids. Are you telling me that Susan would just stand there? And how is one of, if not the, smartest man on the planet left looking like a confused teenager who'd just been busted for sneaking out a night during the trial?
Right now this book is absolutely terrible. I've been an FF fan my entire life. They were some of the first comics I ever bought when I was a kid and honestly, right now, I would prefer they go on indefinite hiatus(as possibly referenced in another thread) than continue with the downward slide that has been in place for *years* now.
I can't remember the last time I was so wound up about a comic book - oh wait it was a few year ago when I actually cancelled FF because of the junk that was going on then. I am now at a loss for words....
- Beau
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Post by Bob Reyer on May 31, 2014 18:56:46 GMT -5
Well....just finished #5 and all I've got to say is what a total waste of a comic book. The story was just awful, the trial stuff was just ridiculous as was taking the kids. Are you telling me that Susan would just stand there? And how is one of, if not the, smartest man on the planet left looking like a confused teenager who'd just been busted for sneaking out a night during the trial? Right now this book is absolutely terrible. I've been an FF fan my entire life. They were some of the first comics I ever bought when I was a kid and honestly, right now, I would prefer they go on indefinite hiatus(as possibly referenced in another thread) than continue with the downward slide that has been in place for *years* now. I can't remember the last time I was so wound up about a comic book - oh wait it was a few year ago when I actually cancelled FF because of the junk that was going on then. I am now at a loss for words.... - Beau Beau, I am also quite unhappy with the direction this title has taken under James Robinson; the story is a re-hash of so many other FF stories I can't keep track anymore, and the dark tone is ill-keeping with what this book should be about. It is just a depressing read, and even back in the Seventies when Sue and Reed were separated, the book never seemed so filled with despair.
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Post by pacino on Jun 2, 2014 8:49:39 GMT -5
I have to say, I completely disagree. I loved issue #5. The hopelessness is getting to be a lot, but I think we are due for a big change coming up after Original Sin is done with.
FWIW, Tom Breevort responded to the rumors:
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jun 2, 2014 10:27:53 GMT -5
I have to say, I completely disagree. I loved issue #5. The hopelessness is getting to be a lot, but I think we are due for a big change coming up after Original Sin is done with. FWIW, Tom Breevort responded to the rumors: Chris, Thanks for the up-date on the Bleeding Cool "FF scoop"--it's much appreciated! As to the current issue of the series, the tone of the book is certainly problematic for me, and adding to my malaise is that as a long-time reader I've seen all this before, and in the case of splitting them up or de-powering one or all of the group, repeatedly. Even the removal of the kids harkens back to J.Michael Straczynski and issues #528 to #535...which climaxed in an interesting denouement!Even into August, it seems the book is treading this dark ground, and as to what comes after "Original Sin", what I've seen solicited as the Fantastic Four tie-in could so throw off the dynamic that getting it back could be impossible without divine (or editorial) intervention. I continue to hold out hope, as Mr. Robinson has done work that I've enjoyed in the past, and his Invaders has all the things that the Fantastic Four is currently lacking!
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Post by pacino on Jun 2, 2014 11:54:26 GMT -5
Has Doom as hero been done before??? Outside of Hickman's run, I mean? It appears his friendship with Valeria is pushing him towards this, and for an inevitable fall.
I'm assuming a fight for Valeria down the line is what brings the team back together. I think this is the long game.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jun 2, 2014 12:44:58 GMT -5
Has Doom as hero been done before??? Outside of Hickman's run, I mean? It appears his friendship with Valeria is pushing him towards this, and for an inevitable fall. I'm assuming a fight for Valeria down the line is what brings the team back together. I think this is the long game. Chris, It is rare for Dr. Doom to play the "straight hero" role, but when his character is being portrayed well, there should always be a sense of nobility, even in his most world-conquering moments! Victor has "done the right thing" a few times; for instance, standing in for Reed against the Overmind back in #116, and not least of which was coming to the aid of the family during Valeria's birth, hence her being named for Victor's long-lost love!
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Post by Raider30 on Jul 5, 2014 0:46:37 GMT -5
#6 - read it in less than 5 minutes. Blech. Stupid story, seriously I'm being nice here. Boring art. I just don't know what to say about this title anymore except I'll keep paying for it to keep my run going but that's about it.
- Beau
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jul 5, 2014 13:11:44 GMT -5
#6 - read it in less than 5 minutes. Blech. Stupid story, seriously I'm being nice here. Boring art. I just don't know what to say about this title anymore except I'll keep paying for it to keep my run going but that's about it. - Beau Beau, I'm in the same boat! Fantastic Four is the only title that I will break my own rule about buying something I'm not enjoying, as I don't want to break the run...and i hope that it gets better! Have you picked up the Fantastic Four 100th Anniversary Special ? it's quite good, although the story will continue into the GotG 100th, so keep that in mind before buying!
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Post by Raider30 on Jul 12, 2014 10:04:17 GMT -5
#7 - better than #6. Is that really a compliment though....? I just feel like we are constantly re-treading the same story with the Fantastic Four. Ben is angry at Reed and Johnny because Reed can't change him back and Johnny is a selfish jerk to him. Your mind for the history is much better than mine Bob, so correct me if I'm wrong but haven't we seen this all before(::sarcasm: . As sad as it is to say is it possible that after 53 years there is only so much you can do with characters and maybe it's time for a break? On the positive side of things I really did like the page 2 up close full page shot of Ben's face. - Beau
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jul 12, 2014 10:22:54 GMT -5
#7 - better than #6. Is that really a compliment though....? I just feel like we are constantly re-treading the same story with the Fantastic Four. Ben is angry at Reed and Johnny because Reed can't change him back and Johnny is a selfish jerk to him. Your mind for the history is much better than mine Bob, so correct me if I'm wrong but haven't we seen this all before(::sarcasm: . As sad as it is to say is it possible that after 53 years there is only so much you can do with characters and maybe it's time for a break? On the positive side of things I really did like the page 2 up close full page shot of Ben's face. - Beau Beau, Fantastic Four #7 might have been better than #6, but it was still not very good, and this "Original Sin" business severely under-cuts the "family" relationships in the book, and to no great dramatic purpose, for as you say, we've seen it before. On top of that, as I've been ranting about for a while, the "sin" ret-cons away one of the most poignant moments in FF history, the final scenes of Fantastic Four #245, John Byrne's "Childhood's End": As to the series needing a break, I might agree only in that I think this arc is going nowhere fast, but I would disagree that there aren't other stories to tell. Not everyone cared for them as much as I did, but the Fantastic Four has just come off nearly 5 years of what to me were highly-imaginative stories by Jonathan Hickman and Matt Fraction that put the Richards clan through some interesting new paces. It'll never happen, but I would guarantee that John Byrne or Walt Simonson could tell some fine FF stories if given the chance, as could Mark Waid, Peter David, Kelly Sue DeConnick, Karl Kessel, or Jan Van Meter from Marvel's current roster of talent.
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Post by pacino on Jul 12, 2014 19:11:11 GMT -5
I must be in the minority judging by the sales and by this forum, but I enjoyed it. The way Haspiel and Kirk are drawing this title is out of this world good.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jul 12, 2014 22:03:38 GMT -5
I must be in the minority judging by the sales and by this forum, but I enjoyed it. The way Haspiel and Kirk are drawing this title is out of this world good. Chris, I've no problems with the art; the story, on the other hand...
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Post by tomoe on Jul 13, 2014 17:32:54 GMT -5
I'm not reading the current run of Fantastic Four but I picked up the Fantastic Four 100th Anniversary Special after hearing Bob's recommendation. I really enjoyed this book. I thought it did an excellent job capturing the essence of the Fantastic Four - that they are a family first, who happen to explore the cosmos and save the world along the way. I'm really looking forward to seeing where this story goes in GotG Anniverary Special. So, thanks, Bob. That was an awesome recommendation.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jul 13, 2014 19:52:25 GMT -5
I'm not reading the current run of Fantastic Four but I picked up the Fantastic Four 100th Anniversary Special after hearing Bob's recommendation. I really enjoyed this book. I thought it did an excellent job capturing the essence of the Fantastic Four - that they are a family first, who happen to explore the cosmos and save the world along the way. I'm really looking forward to seeing where this story goes in GotG Anniverary Special. So, thanks, Bob. That was an awesome recommendation. Mo, I'm so glad that you enjoyed that issue! I'm always a mite worried when I go out on a limb with something like that one, but as you read, Jen Van Meter and Joanna Estep did a "fantastic" job telling that story!
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Post by pacino on Sept 3, 2014 12:07:57 GMT -5
Art Adams did his interpretation of the cover to #266 and he really does seem to have one thing on his mind. OK, two: here's the original by Byrne:
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