its_pro
Fearless Defender
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Post by its_pro on Apr 10, 2014 7:53:39 GMT -5
So.. I'm not sure if this is a hard and fast rule or not, but I think that the $4 books come with a Digital Code. And while I love having hard copies of my comics, I usually use my digital codes and read them on my phone. This also removes all the ads, which might alleviate your other issue. Just playing devil's advocate. 
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Post by rgsc on Apr 10, 2014 11:42:12 GMT -5
Just finished the second issue; very funny, love where it seems to be going, but i do have two pretty massive gripes, i have to say. 1) $4.00 for a limited series like Sandman Overture is one thing. But i don't see myself shelling out $4 per issue into perpetuity for a regular ol' ongoing superhero book (which is why I don't buy Batman). How the hell is Hawkeye (for instance) $3, but this is $4? I'm loving this book, but i don't understand how they can justify that pricetag. It's insulting, to be honest. And disappointing. And it means i'm going to have to drop off sooner or later. And that makes me sad. 2) (And this is related to Gripe #1)HOLY CRAP, COULD THERE BE ANY MORE ADS IN THIS THING. [...] I haven't read #2 yet but after picking this up along with the new Iron Fist book - also $3.99 - I commented to the guy at my LCS about how annoyed I was with this price point. This reaction came on strong as I just finished reading Moon Knight #2 which felt REALLY slight for $4. Iron Fist (again, haven't read yet so can't comment on quality or value-for-money) FELT slim in my hands so I am not sure how many new Marvel books I am going to continue picking up. At $3 I might continue on with Iron Fist & Moon Knight, which I just bought on a whim. At $4...probably not. Marvel is saying they are giving the digital edition as well (why do I need the digital edition when I bought the physical copy?), which is at least something. DC is giving us...well, let's see, they've dropped the backup stories from their $4 titles and have not added extra pages to most but are adding...hmm... better cover stock... woo!! Be still my heart! It is particularly insane that they priced lower-tier books like AllStar Western and Sword of Sorcery at $4. I am sure that is one of the largest contributing factors to SoS failing so early. The absence of ads is one of the best reasons for buying digitally, even at full price. I feel the same way as you about how they interrupt the flow. Sometimes it is almost comical how detrimental their placement can be to the story (a really whimsical ad beside/breaking up a heavy plot point). I buy a small percentage of my books digitally currently but am going to be getting a tablet this summer. Then I plan to read way more that way - particularly the DC titles I am cutting from my pull where I can get them at a dollar less after a couple of months - and I am digging Marvel Unlimited so might just keep that up and wait the 6month period to get the new books. At $4/book vs $10 for as many as I can read, it is a good deal, as I am not at all concerned with collecting these issues, I just want to read them.
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Post by CaptainSuperior on Apr 10, 2014 12:54:22 GMT -5
I was slightly less impressed with issue #2, but the appearence of the Guardians brought the issue back up to like a 4 out of 5. If I remember correctly aren't Venom and Captain Marvel suppose to be joining the Guardians?
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Post by Tony on Apr 11, 2014 0:19:16 GMT -5
I haven't read #2 yet but after picking this up along with the new Iron Fist book - also $3.99 - I commented to the guy at my LCS about how annoyed I was with this price point. This reaction came on strong as I just finished reading Moon Knight #2 which felt REALLY slight for $4. Iron Fist (again, haven't read yet so can't comment on quality or value-for-money) FELT slim in my hands so I am not sure how many new Marvel books I am going to continue picking up. At $3 I might continue on with Iron Fist & Moon Knight, which I just bought on a whim. At $4...probably not.Marvel is saying they are giving the digital edition as well (why do I need the digital edition when I bought the physical copy?), which is at least something. DC is giving us...well, let's see, they've dropped the backup stories from their $4 titles and have not added extra pages to most but are adding...hmm... better cover stock... woo!! Be still my heart! It is particularly insane that they priced lower-tier books like AllStar Western and Sword of Sorcery at $4. I am sure that is one of the largest contributing factors to SoS failing so early. The absence of ads is one of the best reasons for buying digitally, even at full price. I feel the same way as you about how they interrupt the flow. Sometimes it is almost comical how detrimental their placement can be to the story (a really whimsical ad beside/breaking up a heavy plot point). I buy a small percentage of my books digitally currently but am going to be getting a tablet this summer. Then I plan to read way more that way - particularly the DC titles I am cutting from my pull where I can get them at a dollar less after a couple of months - and I am digging Marvel Unlimited so might just keep that up and wait the 6month period to get the new books. At $4/book vs $10 for as many as I can read, it is a good deal, as I am not at all concerned with collecting these issues, I just want to read them. Exactly. Agreed. Well said. The bit that i've bolded is a much better and more succinct way to put what i was trying to say. The book was really good, good enough that i'll see out this initial arc before i really have to make the hard decision, but when you have a $4 Marvel book in one hand and a $3 or $3.50 Image book in the other (let's say Captain Marvel vs Pretty Deadly, to make it Kelly Sue vs Kelly Sue, or Moon Knight, which i would love to be picking up but is too overpriced for me to justify doing so, vs East of West), the $4 book feels like a $3 book that i'm being gouged on, while the $3.50 book feels like a $4 book that's been discounted. When i finished reading Captain Marvel #2, my immediate reaction was, "Well that was fun, but where's the rest of it?" whereas i don't feel that way at all with Saga ($3), or The Wake ($3), or East of West ($3.50) or Black Science ($3.50), or Pretty Deadly ($3.50), or whathaveyou. Ultimately i suppose my gripe is that, hey, Marvel, or DC (with $4 Batman, specifically), they should be trying their best to make sure i have a good experience enjoying their product. Take care of your customers, that's business 101. They should be making it easy for me to grab those books from the shelf, throw them on the counter without a second thought, and walk out of the store with them. And with a $4 book that feels really short and constantly interrupted by commercials, they're not doing that. That gives me all kinds of second thoughts. They're making it a hard decision for me, instead of making it an easy one. And in that sense, they are failing me, the customer, and they're failing the shops who want to move those books, and they're failing the artists and creative people who've put their heart and soul into that work. With Moon Knight, let's say, i'll just wait for the trade. No problem. That's fair (though i think the case can certainly be made that Marvel's trades are overpriced as well, when compared to those of the competition). But i think the point stands. Don't make the decision difficult on me; make it easy. Don't tempt me to go searching the nether-regions of the internets to find someone that's "sharing" the book i want to read. I don't want to do that. I want to support my local shop (which i do, every week), i want to support Kelly Sue and the artists and all of the other creative people behind the endeavor (which i do, every week). But when you put a $4 price tag on something that was a full dollar cheaper just a few months ago and which feels substantially lighter and shorter than some other great book that's .50 cents to a dollar cheaper, then you're making it tough to continue to support that book. And that bums me out. Sidenote: I don't have a tablet, so digital codes are unwanted and somewhat meaningless to me. But even if i did have a tablet, the notion that they would bump up the price a full dollar because they're including the digital code for the same exact book that i've just bought a physical copy of is upsetting. If that's the case, then they should be offering two versions at the shop, a full-priced one with the code, and a cheaper one without. That would be fine by me. But, to be clear, i don't believe for a second that that's why they've raised the price. I think there's somebody at the top who's making that decision based on accounting spreadsheets and b.s. market research, who has no idea what he's doing, or at least he has no idea how this new policy is going to affect how people feel about the company, and how that might affect the relationship between the weekly customer and that company's products in the long term. It's the polar opposite of trying to foster good will and take good care of your customer base.
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Post by pacino on Apr 11, 2014 7:03:36 GMT -5
Honestly, if you're not collecting, how the comic feels should be of no concern to you. The length is the same, give or take two pages.
I guess I just don't see it. You can't be a reader and then complain about collecting aspects of the physical book.
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Post by rgsc on Apr 11, 2014 8:45:49 GMT -5
Honestly, if you're not collecting, how the comic feels should be of no concern to you. The length is the same, give or take two pages. I guess I just don't see it. You can't be a reader and then complain about collecting aspects of the physical book. We are getting fairly far off topic but I think this is a discussion worth continuing so I created a new thread in the General Discussion section - talkingcomics.freeforums.net/thread/496/value-money-captain-marvel-thread
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Post by cannedairjack on Apr 19, 2014 21:54:36 GMT -5
I was slightly less impressed with issue #2, but the appearence of the Guardians brought the issue back up to like a 4 out of 5. If I remember correctly aren't Venom and Captain Marvel suppose to be joining the Guardians? Ya. next weeks issue of the guardians will have Capt Marvel and Flashs' Venom teaming up with them, I'm so excited
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Post by Bob Reyer on Apr 20, 2014 5:53:27 GMT -5
I was slightly less impressed with issue #2, but the appearence of the Guardians brought the issue back up to like a 4 out of 5. If I remember correctly aren't Venom and Captain Marvel suppose to be joining the Guardians? Cap'n Nick, Compared to the absolutely stellar (sorry for the pun!) first issue, almost anything would have! It was one of my favorite books of the week; a fun story (with a look into the pathos behind Tic's story), really nice art, and... flerken cat!
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Post by courtneyk on Apr 23, 2014 22:43:04 GMT -5
I was slightly less impressed with issue #2, but the appearence of the Guardians brought the issue back up to like a 4 out of 5. If I remember correctly aren't Venom and Captain Marvel suppose to be joining the Guardians? Cap'n Nick, Compared to the absolutely stellar (sorry for the pun!) first issue, almost anything would have! It was one of my favorite books of the week; a fun story (with a look into the pathos behind Tic's story), really nice art, and... flerken cat!The flerken cat made the issue for me. I enjoyed the little glimpse of the Guardians we got here and actually asked one of the employees at my shop to pull some GotG stuff for me for next week on the back of this. I'm enjoying Carol in space - it doesn't have the emotional punch of her previous outings but it's a lot of fun so far.
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Post by lennyreid on Dec 12, 2014 5:49:42 GMT -5
Is everyone still onboard with Captain Marvel?
Still loving the story but wanted to get the general impression of the art. I'm not digging the art from these 9 issues. Perhaps the transition from the Soy/Andrade/Rios run was a bit jarring.
Hate to be a downer on an otherwise great book.
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Post by Tony on Dec 12, 2014 16:35:34 GMT -5
I'm still onboard. The art's not my favorite, but I don't hate it. It feels very par-for-the-course comic art, to me; SOP. I didn't love the first arc, but that's hardly anything to do with the art as much as I felt like the plotting and general goings on of 2-6 were a hot mess after the super-promising and inspiring start of the #1. But artwise I have few complaints; it's by no means blowing me away, but it's loads better than the Andrade portion of the previous run.
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Post by CaptainSuperior on Dec 13, 2014 9:00:13 GMT -5
Does anyone know what happen to the whole Iron Patriot and Carol Danvers relationship?  I feel like it was here one issue and gone the next.
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Post by rgsc on Dec 13, 2014 12:09:03 GMT -5
Does anyone know what happen to the whole Iron Patriot and Carol Danvers relationship?  I feel like it was here one issue and gone the next. Well, she's been in outer space since she left Rhodey back in issue 1. I could be mistaken but I am pretty sure they are still together, though it is now a long distance relationship (like....a super long distance)
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Post by CaptainSuperior on Dec 15, 2014 13:17:44 GMT -5
Is anyone else concerned about the future of this book beyond Black Vortex? Looking at sales #'s it has been on the decline every month and in November has dropped to 19K. Generally this is a very bad omen for the future....
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Post by Tony on Dec 15, 2014 18:17:24 GMT -5
Is anyone else concerned about the future of this book beyond Black Vortex? Looking at sales #'s it has been on the decline every month and in November has dropped to 19K. Generally this is a very bad omen for the future.... I hadn't heard of Black Vortex 'till just now; had to google it. Having just read a couple of interviews and preview articles in the last 10 minutes, I have to say i'm 99% likely to drop the series for the span of the event, a decision that I do not in any way relish, and i'm reasonably sure that I won't be the only one to do so (though at least I plan on picking it back up afterwards). I've been relatively fortunate and very, very happy to have missed running-into events and crossovers in my Big Two titles since my return to comics (granted, 90+% of the books I read are Image anyways, so that's helped much in this regard), and I don't take too kindly to one of the only Marvel books I buy being co-opted in this way. It irks me, mightily. Seems to me that Kelly Sue can't catch a break over there; her Avengers Assemble run was marred by an event as well. Blech. I would imagine that the series itself isn't in too much trouble, regardless of sales, due to the movie announcement and plan; surely they intend to build her brand over the next few years in any way they can, and cancelling the book wouldn't seem to jive with that.
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