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Post by m on Feb 3, 2015 16:19:00 GMT -5
I hope this is the appropriate place to ask this.
I've recently (about 10 months or so ago) gotten back into comics. The majority of my pull list and the books I absolutely love are Image. I worry and wonder about their longevity though.
As examples, Copperhead #4 sold 11,241 copies, Revival #26 8,696 copies and Autumnlands: Tooth and Claw #2 sold 33,272.
What is the cut off sales number, which I realize probably varies by book, when a book becomes unprofitable and the creators and/or Image gives up on it?
Tldr, I really want Copperhead to last awhile. Lol
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Post by Tony on Feb 3, 2015 16:58:52 GMT -5
That's a good question, one i've wondered about myself. Their overhead and production/printing costs must be minuscule, 'cause since I started reading Image books (the last couple of years), there hasn't been even a single one that I've followed that was cancelled prematurely, and nearly my whole pull list is Image. And I read Zero, and Dream Police, and I know those sell like crap (i'm pretty sure i'm literally the only person at my shop that pulls Zero; they only order three copies of each issue), but they keep chugging along nonetheless. So whatever the break-even point is, it must be really, really, really low in terms of sales. That's pretty cool, isn't it? At most of the other companies it seems like 20,000 is more or less the severe danger warning, but Copperhead seems to be chugging along just fine despite the low sales (I agree, by the way; it's a fantastic book, and I hope it has a good long run).
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Post by m on Feb 3, 2015 21:25:46 GMT -5
That's a good question, one i've wondered about myself. Their overhead and production/printing costs must be minuscule, 'cause since I started reading Image books (the last couple of years), there hasn't been even a single one that I've followed that was cancelled prematurely, and nearly my whole pull list is Image. Thank god. Lol. Seriously though, I've been very concerned lately and this makes me feel a lot better. Thanks so much for the response! There are a few (who am I kidding, MANY) other Image books I'd like to check out but the low sales numbers for them has made me wary. I shall fret no more and dive into them. Thanks again.
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Post by pacino on Feb 4, 2015 11:48:16 GMT -5
Rocket Girl's profitability dips somewhere around 8,000 or so single issues per month. I'm sure it doesn't help that it's not timely. This was per the creators on comicsbeat.com.
And while waiting for the trade is a valid way to read a comic, it doesn't come into the profitability for it until after a full year or so due to how Image and other companies dole out the money for these. It's all about the single issues for keeping a book alive.
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Post by tundra on Feb 4, 2015 14:28:09 GMT -5
And while waiting for the trade is a valid way to read a comic, it doesn't come into the profitability for it until after a full year or so due to how Image and other companies dole out the money for these. It's all about the single issues for keeping a book alive. That's undoubtedly true for "Big 2" series, but I find it hard to believe that Image aren't factoring in potential earnings from trades at the point of commissioning their books. Everything about their release schedules seems to point in that direction.
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Post by pacino on Feb 4, 2015 15:28:08 GMT -5
how it works: This doesn't factor in how many months in advance it took to even get the idea behind the comic going. So from concept to creation for a trade, it could be up to 2 years.
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Post by m on Feb 4, 2015 16:00:24 GMT -5
It's all about the single issues for keeping a book alive. Pacino, the link you posted to the article at Multiversity Comics is fantastic and answered a lot of questions I had. Thanks. I want to support my favorite books so I will be trying to pre-order single issues and trades from DCBS. Do the rest of you factor this stuff in when deciding to buy singles or wait for trades? My money is tight lately so I might start trade waiting on good selling books like Saga but still buy singles and trades for the smaller books like Copperhead and Roche Limit.
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Post by pacino on Feb 4, 2015 17:29:22 GMT -5
I always buy singles for most books that I know are 'on the edge', whether they be Big Two or indie. I will 'wait for the trade' on a graphic novel, of course, but really not too much else anymore. I will completely skip events and then go get the big trade on discount when it comes out.
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Post by Tony on Feb 4, 2015 18:02:32 GMT -5
Do the rest of you factor this stuff in when deciding to buy singles or wait for trades? My money is tight lately so I might start trade waiting on good selling books like Saga but still buy singles and trades for the smaller books like Copperhead and Roche Limit. I almost exclusively trade-wait my Big Two books, and I buy nearly all of my Image books in singles, but that has as much to do with price and the physical product in your hands as anything else. Image puts out an affordable, quality product, and Marvel doesn't; that makes my decision for me. I don't worry about a book i'm trade-waiting getting cancelled; as far as i'm concerned, that's all a part of the growing process of Marvel coming to grips with the trade/digital market of the 21st century (or *failing* to come to grips with said market, as the case may be), and i'm not going to let their outdated, wrongheaded, outright-offensive, bullshit business model guilt me into buying their $4 and $5 books in ad-filled singles. It's not worth it, and supporting/paying-into their broken system and philosophy makes me feel icky inside.
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Post by kidkeith on Feb 4, 2015 18:42:15 GMT -5
I buy single issues and then when the trade comes out I sell back the ones I don't want to keep to my local comic shop for store credit (which I use on the trades). I'm not sure how other comic shops do it, but the one near me is pretty good at buying back semi-recent single issues because people are always looking for them. I still end up spending more money than just buying the trades, obviously, but it seems like a pretty decent way to support and save some coin/space.
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Post by m on Feb 4, 2015 21:13:54 GMT -5
...it seems like a pretty decent way to support and save some coin/space. Indeed. It's awesome that your LCS does that.
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Post by pacino on Feb 9, 2015 11:45:02 GMT -5
Do the rest of you factor this stuff in when deciding to buy singles or wait for trades? My money is tight lately so I might start trade waiting on good selling books like Saga but still buy singles and trades for the smaller books like Copperhead and Roche Limit. I almost exclusively trade-wait my Big Two books, and I buy nearly all of my Image books in singles, but that has as much to do with price and the physical product in your hands as anything else. Image puts out an affordable, quality product, and Marvel doesn't; that makes my decision for me. I don't worry about a book i'm trade-waiting getting cancelled; as far as i'm concerned, that's all a part of the growing process of Marvel coming to grips with the trade/digital market of the 21st century (or *failing* to come to grips with said market, as the case may be), and i'm not going to let their outdated, wrongheaded, outright-offensive, bullshit business model guilt me into buying their $4 and $5 books in ad-filled singles. It's not worth it, and supporting/paying-into their broken system and philosophy makes me feel icky inside. I know we disagree about the prices, so I'll leave that aside. I just have to complain about the way a lot of Image books are pressed and stapled. It seems like they are very puffy at the staples, making it harder to stack more and more issues on the wall at the store. I think this is something they need to look into.
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Post by BarefootRoot on Feb 9, 2015 13:19:37 GMT -5
I was just thinking about this (how puffy the books were) the other day when setting down a couple new image books on my coffee table. I have strong feelings one way or the other, but it was really noticeable and I found it really odd. the only books I have seen recently that were even more puffy were the jim henson storyteller books from archaia which used super thick paper
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Post by pacino on Feb 26, 2015 15:21:19 GMT -5
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Post by m on Feb 28, 2015 16:45:22 GMT -5
Fascinating article Pacino, thanks for the link. It's amazing that Image's cut of a book's profit doesn't change based on higher sales numbers, wonderful really. Yay Image. I need to catch up on Wayward.
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