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Post by jonathansoko on Jan 15, 2015 16:45:50 GMT -5
Kamala has had a good impact on alot of people. But i disagree completely that it has brought out a ton of new fans. The reality is that most of the people that buy ms marvel, were fans already. As a member of the Muslim community, she is not some new hero to all the kids in the community. I dont know a single person whos kids hang up kamala khan posters in their room, or have their parents run out and pick up the new issue every month. I think that the people making claims of her level of "icon", are not in the muslim community. Sure, shes great, but her "impact" isn't as grand as you make it out to be. At least not yet its not.
At the end of the does represent something i stand by firmly in comics and i hope to she her grow, and others to follow.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jan 15, 2015 19:25:32 GMT -5
By all accounts, the digital sales of Ms. Marvel are "historic", a phrase uttered by Axel Alonzo at the last NYCC, and which informed speculation puts at twice the print sales, so in this reduced marketplace for comic books, there are more than likely many new eyes reading this book as their first comic. Am I, due to my thrill at seeing a writer attempt and succeed at so much, perhaps over-stating the impact this book has as compared to books from the Golden or Silver Age? I guess I'll plead guilty to being excited about a comic that's trying to be inspirational, aspirational, and fun all at once while also delivering super-hero action to people who may have never read one before...someone like this young lady, mayhaps?  |
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Post by jonathansoko on Jan 15, 2015 19:39:33 GMT -5
thats a great pic. Certainly, there definitely are people out there who love her, and thats great. Shes one of the more interesting creations of recent past. Glad to see people appreciating her.
By all counts, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being head over heels for a character. Im super pumped for the fact that she even exists, and IS popular. Im lamenting the idea of Wilson ever NOT writing her.
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Post by caircoke on Jan 16, 2015 15:12:05 GMT -5
so Ms Marvel is a great comic because it makes a fifty-something life long comic reader feel like he does when he was a teenage comic reader? But even that is a bit beside the point as my issue was about using the term 'iconic' to shut down debate. Anyhow, no more to say on this I think there is one more thing to say on this. Disagreeing with the use of the word "iconic" to describe Ms. Marvel is totally fine, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Clearly the word didn't shut down debate, because people kept debating it here, which is good. However, using sarcastic language to disparage someone else's opinion may shut down debate, as other people might not want to post their opinion and risk being described dismissively. I'm sure you didn't mean it to sound rude, but it can be read as such. |
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Post by bpp on Jan 16, 2015 19:14:12 GMT -5
so Ms Marvel is a great comic because it makes a fifty-something life long comic reader feel like he does when he was a teenage comic reader? But even that is a bit beside the point as my issue was about using the term 'iconic' to shut down debate. Anyhow, no more to say on this I think there is one more thing to say on this. Disagreeing with the use of the word "iconic" to describe Ms. Marvel is totally fine, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Clearly the word didn't shut down debate, because people kept debating it here, which is good. However, using sarcastic language to disparage someone else's opinion may shut down debate, as other people might not want to post their opinion and risk being described dismissively. I'm sure you didn't mean it to sound rude, but it can be read as such. No it can't" it is making a clear and concise point about the relevancy of such a statement when conflating the demographics under discussion. There is nothing sarcastic or disparaging about it. There is no slight on anyone. The conversation had moved on without anyone taking such a ridiculous unjustified reading. That you wish to impute such speaks only of you. |
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Post by jonathansoko on Jan 16, 2015 19:18:28 GMT -5
It's all good guys. I didn't mean to cause any stir either, it was just my personal experience regarding the topic.
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Post by caircoke on Jan 16, 2015 19:44:33 GMT -5
I think there is one more thing to say on this. Disagreeing with the use of the word "iconic" to describe Ms. Marvel is totally fine, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Clearly the word didn't shut down debate, because people kept debating it here, which is good. However, using sarcastic language to disparage someone else's opinion may shut down debate, as other people might not want to post their opinion and risk being described dismissively. I'm sure you didn't mean it to sound rude, but it can be read as such. No it can't" it is making a clear and concise point about the relevancy of such a statement when conflating the demographics under discussion. There is nothing sarcastic or disparaging about it. There is no slight on anyone. The conversation had moved on without anyone taking such a ridiculous unjustified reading. That you wish to impute such speaks only of you. I very clearly said I didn't think you meant to be rude. I was saying that some people might find it so, and feel silenced by it. You have now just labeled me "ridiculous" and "unjustified," which, again, might give someone else pause if they want to comment, lest they be put down. Let's please make the forum a place in which everyone feels welcome to share their opinion. |
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Post by bpp on Jan 16, 2015 20:41:59 GMT -5
sorry, I'm not going to engage in nonsense with baseless accusations couched in 'i'm not saying, it just may seem..' when your cottonmouth intentions are clear. So let us restate, several of us were having a perfectly civil discussion which you then decide to put a ludicrous interpretation on, one that nobody in the discussion had evidenced, and then you ' call me out on it'. Well I reject your vipitudinious nonsense and will not accept such labels to be placed on my comment. There was no 'sarcastm' or 'disparagement' as you alledge (or, of course, you 'don't alledge, you just say someone somewhere maybe might see it that way so your going to bring it up and label me with it..' Good grief.
If you would like it put simply - Bob's assertion that Ms.Marvel reminds him of the feeling he had when he read Spider-Man is redundant. He is someone imbedded in comics culture, invested in it and constituted by decades of reading it. He (and I. and the editors, creators etc) are incapable of registering whether Ms Marvel is having a revelatory effect through our own existential experiences of the comic because we are not this 'new market' who may experience such. We can only look at a book statistically or through a literary criticism to look for that effect occurring in the 'modern-version-of-the-audience-that-was-Bob-when-he-read-Spiderman'. It's a fairly basic observation even if it may place logic before good natured sentiment.
So yes your post (your post, not you, I've no idea about you beyond your evidenced modus operandi) is both 'ridiculous' and 'unjustified' and if you want to contribute to the harmony of the forum and discussion you should refrain from attacking and misrepresenting me so. Try engaging with the substance of the debate as everyone else had managed,
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Post by angelus104 on Jan 16, 2015 21:15:46 GMT -5
Let me make this clear the dialogue that's happening here and that has been ongoing in this thread is against the spirit of these forums. We do not insult other's opinions here, we do not attack others for the sake of attacking. If you don't like our choices that is fine, if you like our choices and feel the need to defend us. I also understand. Let me make something clear there is wrong on both sides and if you think you are not you need to reevaluate and re-look at what you've wrote.
If this continues I will end this post and there will be action taken against the offending parties. This attitude makes me not want to participate here and I started them.
I'm sorry if you think I'm squashing conversation, but I've seen this go on long enough.
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Post by jonathansoko on Jan 16, 2015 21:59:03 GMT -5
Hey guys let's bring this back with some positives! Like any family has the ability to do, we can definitely get back on the same page!
I would definitely like to thank Steve for being an advocate for Alex and ada, it's a book I would NEVER pick up at the shop. But thanks to his admiration and love for it, I picked it up in this month's image humble bundle 2, and omg it was AMAZING! It was so refreshing to get a straight forward story that didn't start with the ending, and fill in the blanks. By the end of the first volume, it had me! The emotion in that last page had me up for awhile last night thinking about how crazy it would be to be in Alex and adas shoes.
It was a beautiful emotional journey and it showed me a side of comics I haven't experienced before. Thank you for getting me to open my eyes to it! It will definitely influence me in the future aswell, with trying new things.
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Post by BarefootRoot on Jan 17, 2015 7:49:07 GMT -5
alex + ada was pretty good, and I could see why Steve pushed for it. It definitely has some potential  one from that bundle that I really enjoyed that I think was in someone's wild cards for something (can't remember which category) was Shutter. If nothing else these awards have clued me into a lot of books I wouldn't have otherwise looked into, and that image bundle came along at the perfect time!  |
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Post by jonathansoko on Jan 17, 2015 9:36:04 GMT -5
Yeah it did! I'm gonna read shutter at work today
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