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Post by megamaramon on Nov 24, 2014 13:43:30 GMT -5
You’ve asked and asked and asked and we’ve always intended to deliver, but here it is: the first of (possibly many) Wonder Woman shows featuring a roundtable discussion headed up by Mara Wood, Bob Reyer and Carolyn Cocca so you just KNOW it’s going to be a show that you don’t want to miss out on. Combining these three in one (metaphorical) place to talk about everyone’s favourite female superhero? Heck yes! In the first half of the show is the normal Recommendations section and things on our Missfits lists include: My Little Pony comics from IDW (all three series); Showcase Presents: Superfriends, Wonder Woman Comics 1944-1945 from IDW; The City on the Edge of Forever comic series from IDW, The Wind Rises Blu-ray, and Super Smash Bros for Wii U. Break music: www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1rBZIzr49kEnd music: www.youtube.com/watch?v=32KnS8FXdzEThe Missfits are: Stephanie Cooke – hellocookieMara Wood – megamaramonMelissa Megan – lissapunchThe Missfits on Twitter – @the_Missfits AND our email is podcast@the-missfits.com Our amazing banner art is by HanieMohd and our theme music is by Eryn Young. |
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Post by pacino on Nov 24, 2014 13:54:18 GMT -5
Oh wow, I so have to download this one!
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Post by caircoke on Nov 24, 2014 15:12:33 GMT -5
Hi! Thanks so much for having me on the show. For those of you interested in our WW recommendations, they were:
--WW Volume 2, #1-62 by George Perez. The first parts of this are in trades; an omnibus with the first 24 will be out next year.
--WW Volume 2, #195-226 by Greg Rucka. 5 trades plus the standalone trade The Hiketeia.
--WW Volume 1, Sensation Comics, All Star Comics, Comic Cavalcade by W.M. Marston and H.G. Peter. Some are collected in trades called "Chronicles" 1-3.
--WW Volume 2, #164-188, especially #170, by Phil Jimenez
--WW Volume 3, #14-44 by Gail Simone
--Sensation Comics featuring Wonder Woman--this is the current digital first series by various writers and artists
--Spirit of Truth by Paul Dini and Alex Ross
--The Once and Future Story (trade) by Trina Robbins
--Wonder Woman #600, various writers and artists
--Smallville Season 11 #56-69 digital, #16-19 print (trade #5 just out) by Bryan Q. Miller
--Scooby-Doo Team Up #9-10 digital, #5 print by Sholly Fisch
--Team ups of the Brave and the Bold #33 by J Michael Straczynski, art by Cliff Chiang
--The Wonder Woman animated film (2009)
--Justice League, the animated series: Check out The Savage Time, The Once and Future Thing, Grudge Match, This Little Piggy...and many more.
--the Wonder Woman tv show, particularly the first season
Other stuff that's more mixed...:
--WW Volume 4, #1-35 by Brian Azzarello, art by Cliff Chiang. Some good in here, some truly awful changes to WW's origin, upbringing, and propensity to name-calling and violence
--WW Volume 2, #63-100 by William Messner-Loebs. Some good in here, but not much of it is collected. The most famous is "The contest" #90-100, which has a good story but very "bad girl" art. I would recommend this more than Bob.
--WW Volume 2, #101-136 by John Byrne. Not all collected either. Bob would recommend this more than me.
I won't list our un-recommendations.
Enjoy!
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Post by tomoe on Nov 25, 2014 3:11:03 GMT -5
Do you have recommendations for academic writings and studies of Wonder Woman?
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Post by Bob Reyer on Nov 25, 2014 6:37:45 GMT -5
Do you have recommendations for academic writings and studies of Wonder Woman? "moe", Right off the top, "The Secret History of Wonder Woman" by Jill Lepore that we spoke about on the show is a treasure trove of great information regarding the societal and personal forces behind the creation of the Amazon Princess, very thoroughly researched and a great read, to boot! Tim Hanley's "Wonder Woman Unbound" has some flawed research and some holes in coverage, but is still very much worthwhile checking out. Two academic anthologies out recently each have chapters on Wonder Woman, and they might be available through your local library. The first, "Heroines of Comic Books and Literature" has two essays; "The Mother of All Super-Heroes" by Sharon Zachowski & Caryn E. Neumann, and "Wonder Woman: Paradise Island as a Woman's Community" by Trina Robbins. The second volume, "Heroines of Film and Television" contains an article by Professor Carolyn Cocca (whom you've just heard on The Missfits!)entitled "It's about Power and It's about Women"--Gender and the Political Economy of Super-Heroes in Wonder Woman and Buffy the Vampire Slayer". Hope this helped! |
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Post by pacino on Nov 25, 2014 8:05:45 GMT -5
I started listening last night. While I disagree that the Azz/Chiang take is not a WW story but simply a good story, I see the points made. She does end up using love to overcome, as well as becoming the focal point of her story and the reason they overcome the First Born.
She's also never written with the disdain for humanity that everyone else in the New 52 puts on her.
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Post by sailormarvel on Nov 25, 2014 16:26:58 GMT -5
This was a fab episode! I loved it all and took lots of notes. I've pre-ordered the Secret History of WW (not available here yet) and I can't wait!
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Post by sailormarvel on Nov 25, 2014 16:28:17 GMT -5
Weird, it is available! Bizarre! At any rate, I can't wait to read it! And I loved everyone's passion for WW on the show!
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Post by caircoke on Nov 25, 2014 18:31:26 GMT -5
Do you have recommendations for academic writings and studies of Wonder Woman? Thanks Bob :-) I would add the following: The Ages of Wonder Woman, edited by Joseph Darowski. 2014. Parts of the book: Brown, Jeffrey. 2011. Dangerous Curves: Action Heroines, Gender, Fetishism, and Popular Culture. Jackson, MS: University Press of Mississippi. Articles: Emad, Mitra. 2006. “Reading Wonder Woman’s Body: Mythologies of Gender and Nation.” The Journal of Popular Culture 39 (6): 954-984. Peters, Brian Mitchell. 2003. “Qu(e)erying Comic Book Culture and Representations of Sexuality in Wonder Woman.” Comparative Literature and Culture 5 (3). docs.lib.purdue.edu/clcweb/vol5/iss3/6>. Robbins, Trina. 2008. “Wonder Woman: Queer Appeal.” International Journal of Comic Art 10 (2): 89-94. Stanley, Kelli. 2005. “‘Suffering Sappho!’: Wonder Woman and the (Re)invention of the Feminine Ideal.” Helios 32 (2): 143-171. Also, I'd be happy to send you what I've written specifically about Wonder Woman (one book chapter and one journal article); even if you disagree with me (which is totally fine!), you'd get a fuller list of sources and contextualization of them. |
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Post by Tony on Nov 25, 2014 19:19:38 GMT -5
Great episode, all; well spoken and well thought-out. Very, very much in agreeance with all the bits about the new issue and about the core of the character/what she stands for and represents, and the chat about her history and her various eras was fascinating. Good listening! A few things: * I just this week read Spirit of Truth (Dini and Ross) and Rucka's The Hiketeia for the first time. Hiketeia I quite enjoyed and would rank highly among the WW stuff i've read, though I wish it'd been a bit longer (another 30-40 pages would've been great), which I guess is a good thing, yeah? Better leaving them wanting more than the other way around. Spirit of Truth I didn't like nearly as much. I wanted it to blow me away, and I always love Ross' art, and Dini is in my personal pantheon (they both are I daresay, in their respective fields), but I felt like there was a major disconnect between the very choppy, "pose"y panels and pretty much the entirety of the writing being this strange internal monologue narration. It felt like it had no flow, and was just some weird synopsis or outline of a WW story, as opposed to being a series of flowing, narrative storytelling with the dialogue and interaction that you usually see in the comic book medium. I dunno, maybe i'm not properly elucidating my take, but . . yeah, it wasn't what I was hoping for, with names like Ross and Dini on the cover. Life goes on! * Not a criticism, but I was very surprised that JLA: A League of One didn't make the cut! It's by far my favorite WW story, like, by a lot. I have to ask, was the omission because you guys haven't read it, or because you don't think much of it? I'd love to hear what you think, either way.  |
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Post by Bob Reyer on Nov 26, 2014 7:30:44 GMT -5
I started listening last night. While I disagree that the Azz/Chiang take is not a WW story but simply a good story, I see the points made. She does end up using love to overcome, as well as becoming the focal point of her story and the reason they overcome the First Born. She's also never written with the disdain for humanity that everyone else in the New 52 puts on her. Chris, I most certainly agree that the Azzarello/Chiang run has her character more right than the "warrior woman" traipsing through the mainstream DC books with her sword leading before her! What I most hope for when discussing Wonder Woman is to raise people's awareness as to what the character was created to represent, which will spark interest in reading the works of those creators who did justice to those original and laudable concepts. |
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Post by Bob Reyer on Nov 26, 2014 7:35:04 GMT -5
Weird, it is available! Bizarre! At any rate, I can't wait to read it! And I loved everyone's passion for WW on the show! Maria, You're going to love it, but it will end up costing you money, because I guarantee that it will send you scurrying to pick up some of the "Chronicles" that contain the original Marston/Peter stories! |
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Post by Bob Reyer on Nov 26, 2014 7:41:15 GMT -5
Do you have recommendations for academic writings and studies of Wonder Woman? Thanks Bob :-) I would add the following: The Ages of Wonder Woman, edited by Joseph Darowski. 2014. Parts of the book: Brown, Jeffrey. 2011. Dangerous Curves: Action Heroines, Gender, Fetishism, and Popular Culture. Jackson, MS: University Press of Mississippi. Articles: Emad, Mitra. 2006. “Reading Wonder Woman’s Body: Mythologies of Gender and Nation.” The Journal of Popular Culture 39 (6): 954-984. Peters, Brian Mitchell. 2003. “Qu(e)erying Comic Book Culture and Representations of Sexuality in Wonder Woman.” Comparative Literature and Culture 5 (3). docs.lib.purdue.edu/clcweb/vol5/iss3/6>. Robbins, Trina. 2008. “Wonder Woman: Queer Appeal.” International Journal of Comic Art 10 (2): 89-94. Stanley, Kelli. 2005. “‘Suffering Sappho!’: Wonder Woman and the (Re)invention of the Feminine Ideal.” Helios 32 (2): 143-171. Also, I'd be happy to send you what I've written specifically about Wonder Woman (one book chapter and one journal article); even if you disagree with me (which is totally fine!), you'd get a fuller list of sources and contextualization of them. Carolyn, It was my pleasure to mention your marvelous essay, though not as much fun as the (admittedly vain and guilty) pleasure of seeing Talking Comics cited within it, so thank you! |
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Post by caircoke on Nov 26, 2014 10:49:17 GMT -5
* Not a criticism, but I was very surprised that JLA: A League of One didn't make the cut! It's by far my favorite WW story, like, by a lot. I have to ask, was the omission because you guys haven't read it, or because you don't think much of it? I'd love to hear what you think, either way. Yes, you're right about this. I have read it. The cover and title say it all! |
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Post by Henrik on Nov 26, 2014 12:19:07 GMT -5
What a wonderful episode, pun pun. Wonder woman being my absolute favorite character, ever since seeing the justice league cartoon, makes me also so depressed with how the situation in the current comics are like. What strikes me is how important the upcoming movie is going to be to every one who doesn't follow comics, and it's gonna again be really depressing if the current tripe influences the movie Wondie. I want to thank everyone for the recommendations so i can maybe backlog instead of picking up the current stuff.
Also if anyone loves Ghibli movies check out "Sanzoku no Musume Rōnya" a 3D tv show of the Swedish childrenbook Ronja rövardotter
Love from Sweden /Henrik
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