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Post by CaptainSuperior on Mar 15, 2015 11:53:08 GMT -5
Personally I think the image simply pays homage to one of the most memorable Batman stories involving the Joker / Batgirl. The Joker is suppose to personify fear, terror, and psychosis which makes him the scariest villain in the DC Universe. Once again, this is a variant cover and not the main cover of the book, so people have options to use their buying power to show DC how they feel about the cover. If you don't like it then don't buy it, and show the company this isn't something you support as a fan. Personally I'll be buying a copy of the cover because it captures in one image just how much the Joker is fear incarnate.
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Post by jonathansoko on Mar 15, 2015 12:46:40 GMT -5
I cant believe that anyone is offended by that. I'm starting to get a wee bit agitated by the pc nature of everything.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Mar 15, 2015 13:15:54 GMT -5
I cant believe that anyone is offended by that. I'm starting to get a wee bit agitated by the pc nature of everything. Jonathan, I think that for both Huw and myself, it is not about being PC, but that the art refers back to Barbara Gordon being "fridged". Here's the gist of it for me; it isn't so much the image itself, but what it represents. "The Killing Joke", while thought of by many as one of the most important Batman stories ever, it also serves for many of us as perhaps the prime example of a female character being treated as an object, a mere plot device, whose fate was of little matter to the story or its protagonists. That in this case it was one of DC's major heroines made it all the more heinous, so the imagery on this cover certainly strikes a raw nerve.
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Post by Huw on Mar 15, 2015 14:07:40 GMT -5
I cant believe that anyone is offended by that. I'm starting to get a wee bit agitated by the pc nature of everything. Jonathan, I think that for both Huw and myself, it is not about being PC, but that the art refers back to Barbara Gordon being "fridged". Here's the gist of it for me; it isn't so much the image itself, but what it represents. "The Killing Joke", while thought of by many as one of the most important Batman stories ever, it also serves for many of us as perhaps the prime example of a female character being treated as an object, a mere plot device, whose fate was of little matter to the story or its protagonists. That in this case it was one of DC's major heroines made it all the more heinous, so the imagery on this cover certainly strikes a raw nerve. I agree with Bob. When you consider that DC are trying to make themselves a more accessible company to all ages and Joker month refers to standout moments in his tenure this cover doesn't sit well. The Joker shoots, strips naked, then takes photos of Babs. He then proceeds to show those photos to her father. Some even say that it is implied that Joker rapes Babs. For all that DC is trying to do, referring to this flies in the face of their change of tone. Apart from that, the story makes me shudder these days. It's horrible!
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Post by jonathansoko on Mar 15, 2015 14:42:38 GMT -5
I remember on the show not too long ago, someone said that maybe they are over thinking something..... That's all im trying to say. I can't disagree any more that dc is ill advised. It's a fantastic cover that references the history between the two. None of it implies babs is an object, Its an important part of her struggle. And yes Babs will kick the jokers ass next time they meet and i cant wait.
We can agree to disagree. I don't want to come off the wrong way. I just do not see what you see.
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Post by Huw on Mar 15, 2015 14:59:09 GMT -5
I remember on the show not too long ago, someone said that maybe they are over thinking something..... That's all im trying to say. I can't disagree any more that dc is ill advised. It's a fantastic cover that references the history between the two. None of it implies babs is an object, Its an important part of her struggle. And yes Babs will kick the jokers ass next time they meet and i cant wait. We can agree to disagree. I don't want to come off the wrong way. I just do not see what you see. Of course, dude. You present your side of things in a cogent and respectful way as always!
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Post by jonathansoko on Mar 15, 2015 15:01:07 GMT -5
i just hope it continues to be good. I can't lie this batgirl is still hard for me to digest, but its been good i can't deny it. If it was up to me, every comic would have ONE cover. They need to stop giving me 10 options for every book, its driving me nuts.
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Post by battyfordc on Mar 15, 2015 15:07:27 GMT -5
Wow this variant for #41 is probably the most terrifying Joker image I've ever seen! Rafael Abuquerque is a beast! This cover is also incredibly ill advised. Given what the Joker puts Babs through in The Killing Joke (which is so horrible that I now refuse to read it again) I really don't think rekindling thoughts of that in people's minds will sit well with people. It certainly doesn't with me. On top of that, it puts a big dent in DCs attempts to raise their profile and image when being aware of these issues. This is an awesome cover though doesn't really fit in the current tone. But wonderful homage to the killing joke. Love it.
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Post by jonathansoko on Mar 15, 2015 15:14:29 GMT -5
i want that as a poster, so bad
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Post by thephantomwelshman on Mar 15, 2015 15:37:04 GMT -5
I've no strong feelings on the killing joke, it's one of my least favourite Alan Moore works. I feel it was a product of it's time and is pretty dated and doesn't really sit well in current times. Call me cynical, but it's almost like DC knew it would generate publicity. Given the current direction of the book it does seem very misguided though.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Mar 15, 2015 15:46:42 GMT -5
I remember on the show not too long ago, someone said that maybe they are over thinking something..... That's all im trying to say. I can't disagree any more that dc is ill advised. It's a fantastic cover that references the history between the two. None of it implies babs is an object, Its an important part of her struggle. And yes Babs will kick the jokers ass next time they meet and i cant wait. We can agree to disagree. I don't want to come off the wrong way. I just do not see what you see. Jonathan, As appreciating art is a subjective thing, my point was less about the cover, and more about looking at the impact of the original story with a modern perspective. So, as agreeing to disagree is a very noble enterprise, we're good to go!
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Post by jonathansoko on Mar 15, 2015 15:50:16 GMT -5
lol! I see your point totally, i get it and respect it.
We agree on alot, especially on the fact that it always is indeed, clobbering time.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Mar 15, 2015 16:15:33 GMT -5
lol! I see your point totally, i get it and respect it. We agree on alot, especially on the fact that it always is indeed, clobbering time. Jonathan, It's your opening statement there that shows why our Forum is so different! Thanks! (Aunt Petunia's favorite nephew would probably say "Just like it's always five o'clock somewhere, it's also gotta be... CLOBBERIN' TIME!!!"
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Post by mlazic on Mar 15, 2015 17:23:22 GMT -5
I'm a fan of the piece if for no other reason the emotion it stirs in me, it genuinely creeps me out. I think it ties well into how Synder has written Joker the last few years, less crazy laughs and more twisted scary Hannibal Lector horror villain.
It is a variant too so it's really designed more for Joker/Killing Joke fans than current Batgirl fans. If this was the regular cover I could see more of an issue.
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Post by jonathansoko on Mar 15, 2015 17:37:17 GMT -5
lol! I see your point totally, i get it and respect it. We agree on alot, especially on the fact that it always is indeed, clobbering time. Jonathan, It's your opening statement there that shows why our Forum is so different! Thanks! (Aunt Petunia's favorite nephew would probably say "Just like it's always five o'clock somewhere, it's also gotta be... CLOBBERIN' TIME!!!" Indeed my friend, indeed! I pitty the fool who ain't ready to clobber!
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