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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 18:34:20 GMT -5
Had a realization this weekend. Marvel have done everything right so far. No argument there. At their worst, they've been good.
But I think a big missed opportunity has been music. Superhero movies need their theme and Marvel seems to have moved away from that.
Raimi’s Spider-Man’s had the same theme throughout all 3 movies scores and I really like that one. It even feels scurrying-spider-like. The Tim Burton Batman’s and the Schumacher Batman’s all have memorable scores. Dark Knight trilogy. All the Supermans including Man of Steel. All strong and memorable. I can even remember the theme from the X-Men movies. It changes after 1, but 2, 3 and DOFP keep it consistent. But I couldn’t think of one from the Marvel movies. Actually no. I really like the Avengers theme. At the start of that movie when the title hits the screen I got chills and then the same theme when they are all standing in a circle. But apparently they’ve gone for a completely different score and composer for A2.
I think a strong score holds a film and especially a franchise together. You think of movies like Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Jurassic Park, Back to the Future, Pirates of the Caribbean. They all have memorable scores that grow and build off each other but stick to a theme.
I just remember being a kid, playing with friends as Superman or Batman and running around humming the theme music. Kids don't get that with these Marvel movies. Seems like a massively missed opportunity. Not saying the music in these movies has beem bad. I love the music in Cap First Avenger, that very Indiana Jones adventure movie vibe. But I really wish there was consistency through all of them.
Anyway, sounds like I'm complaining. Just wondering what are some favourite superhero themes?
The John Williams Superman theme will always give me goosebumps. Man of Steel had a lot to live up to but I absolutely love the score for that movie, especially the tracl "Krypton's Last", so sad, always reminds me of the Byrne Man of Steel #1 issue.
I have not stopped listening to the Christopher Drake score from the DKR animated film.
And Spider-Man will always be Danny Elfmans score to me.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Aug 18, 2014 6:10:44 GMT -5
Benjamin,
I agree with you virtually 100%, my only tic would be that while I like Hans Zimmer's work, he doesn't instill in me the anticipation that I get when hearing the opening bars of a theme by John Williams or Danny Elfman. Alan Silvestri's work on The Avengers and Captain America:The First Avenger was close to being "there" for me, particularly in the scene you cited, and when Cap marches back with the rescued POWs in CA:TFA.
The super-heroic theme that still gets my heart-racing after more than fifty years is the Leon Klatzkin/Jack Shandlin opening to the Adventures of Superman TV show; when the harp glissando kicks in, I'm eight years old again!
Here's a clip featuring the theme without the iconic narration; it's from a first season episode entitled "The Birthday Letter", where-in Superman takes polio victim Kathy Williams on a special ride. As usual, I'm all verklempt watching this!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 16:22:46 GMT -5
Benjamin, I agree with you virtually 100%, my only tic would be that while I like Hans Zimmer's work, he doesn't instill in me the anticipation that I get when hearing the opening bars of a theme by John Williams or Danny Elfman. Alan Silvestri's work on The Avengers and Captain America:The First Avenger was close to being "there" for me, particularly in the scene you cited, and when Cap marches back with the rescued POWs in CA:TFA. The super-heroic theme that still gets my heart-racing after more than fifty years is the Leon Klatzkin/Jack Shandlin opening to the Adventures of Superman TV show; when the harp glissando kicks in, I'm eight years old again! Here's a clip featuring the theme without the iconic narration; it's from a first season episode entitled "The Birthday Letter", where-in Superman takes polio victim Kathy Williams on a special ride. As usual, I'm all verklempt watching this! Yeah I don't imagine kids would run around humming Hans Zimmer tunes, well at least not until their voice broke. That Superman theme reminds me, I grew up watching and re-watching and re-watching this old VHS copy of the Fleischer Superman cartoon series. I was never allowed to watch TV before school so always missed out on the Animated series. This was the next best thing. Really love that theme too.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Aug 18, 2014 18:14:23 GMT -5
Benjamin,
I LOVE that Sammy Timberg theme from the Fleischer cartoons, which were some of the finest animated shorts of all time! Saying that, I think I'll watch some tonight!
An aside here; that theme, or at least a very sparsely-orchestrated version of it, was also used for the long-running Superman radio show that also starred Clayton "Bud" Collyer
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