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Gotham
Sept 23, 2014 3:01:09 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 3:01:09 GMT -5
Yep. Loved it.
Agree with thephantomwelshman, I can't stand Jada Pinkett Smith either, but she was good. I guess playing a hateable character helps.
But every moment Bruce and Jim were in the same scene I had chills. Their friendship and partnership is my most favorite thing in comics/books/films everything. And this show looks like it's really going to honor that and focus on it.
Gotham felt like Gotham. It felt like the Batman Begins Gotham. If there's one thing I didn't like about DK and DKR is that Gotham became less of a character and just a generic city. In this it feels like a setting and a character. Like the Animated Series and Begins. Lived in and dirty.
Also Falcone's line "You can't have organized crime without law and order" stuck with me for some reason. I like that. I am really excited to see what they do with him.
And jeez the Penguin was good.
Also Dead Weather are always welcome. One thing I've hated about Arrow is the songs they use. When I heard Dead Weather twice in this I was pretty stoked.
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Gotham
Sept 23, 2014 5:18:56 GMT -5
Post by goodeeveening on Sept 23, 2014 5:18:56 GMT -5
Very pleasantly surprised! Like everyone else it seems that my main complaint is Ivy Pepper which I suppose is a nitpick if they go on to tell a good story. I personally loved Jada Pinkett Smith and am dying to see more of Selina Kyle and Edward Nygma.
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Gotham
Sept 23, 2014 7:00:01 GMT -5
Post by wamphari on Sept 23, 2014 7:00:01 GMT -5
Meh, show seems like it isn't sure what it wants to be. Didn't really feel focused, though it did look good. Penguin was probably the best part, though I liked a few other characters. Didn't really like Montoya as she felt kind of flat and without real emotion. Didn't write anything about catwoman (catgirl?) because there basically nothing to say, ok costume, but no dialoge or action to speak of yet. I guess some complained of Ivy which I guess I get but it was not even in the top ten of things wrong so far. I feel like this could be a good show if they do some serious character building. Overall I'd give it a C-.
The Good: Penguin, Jada Pinkett (ish), Carmine Falcone, maybe Nygma
The Bad: Gordon, Montoya, whole plot of making Waynes killer an important character (the Waynes' killer should always be a faceless thug)
The Ugly: Harvey Bullock, If they set out to invent the most one dimensional character on television they couldn't have done much better. I like the actor but he just isn't given anything to do here, feels about 1 part bad direction 2 parts bad writing.
The final problem is the time setting, I get the impression from much of the sets and costumes that we're looking at maybe late 80's ish, however everyone has cell phones and are driving cars from the late 70's. Someone told me they were keeping the time frame ambiguous but it just felt confusing.
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Gotham
Sept 23, 2014 10:21:35 GMT -5
Post by dwilliams on Sept 23, 2014 10:21:35 GMT -5
Did anyone else feel like it moved WAY too fast? In the first nine minutes of the show it's like "Oh there's Bruce and his parents, oh shit they're dead, oh hell Bullock is a total dick, and oh man Gordan's telling Bruce it gets better?! Gordan, give the kid a break it's been ten minutes since his parents died he gets to grieve go away! And Alfred showing up all like "Stiff upper lip, Master Bruce." SHUT UP ALFRED LET HIM BE SAD FOR LIKE 10 SECONDS.
And I thought it was super funny that Selina stole an unopened jug of milk, and when we see her pouring some for the cats it's nearly empty. GUYS SELINA WAS SO THIRSTY. She's probably got a tummy ache after all that tumbling about on rooftops.
Anyway, I think it'd be great if, now that he's been established as a character, Bruce Wayne was pushed to the background in favor of the more interesting players. As everyone's already said, Cobblepot was definitely the stand out. And the guy who is TOTALLY THE JOKER AMIRITE?
I'll keep watching, at least to see where this season goes, but overall I feel like this isn't a show we even need. You know who doesn't ever make an interesting character? Prepubescent boys. Sorrynotsorry, Potter-fans. (That was meant to be humorous please don't yell at me.)
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Gotham
Sept 23, 2014 11:02:40 GMT -5
Post by IncredibleD on Sept 23, 2014 11:02:40 GMT -5
Want to watch this show so bad, but i think i'll have to wait till its on Netflix(or till it shows up on one the channels here, which usually takes forever), because i live in the Netherlands.Sure there are ways to watch it sooner, but i'd rather wait.
Oh well, Season 2 of Orphan Black just showed up on Netflix here, so i'll just watch that.
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Gotham
Sept 23, 2014 11:04:02 GMT -5
Post by wamphari on Sept 23, 2014 11:04:02 GMT -5
Yeah I noticed the milk thing too, kind of a blatant continuity error.
I forgot to mention one other thing, I like the actor who is Alfred, but he should not be in this role. Just seems strange I mean here he's aside from a personality that totally doesn't fit, how old are all the characters supposed to be here? I guess that's another time complaint but you if Bruce is like 10-12 years old, we must be about 15ish years before Batman (15 BB) so shouldn't Alfred be in his early to mid-fifties?
So do we think that the guy who killed Bruce's parents will turn into the Joker?
And finally we can presume that this will not have any crossover with arrow because they are different companies right?
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Gotham
Sept 24, 2014 10:05:22 GMT -5
Post by courtneyk on Sept 24, 2014 10:05:22 GMT -5
Well, if you've read my recap, you know that I liked it overall. I do think it suffered from hitting you over the head a bit with the references, but as I said on the podcast I think that was done for the benefit of mass audience viewers who may only have a vague memory of that character Danny DeVito played in that one Batman movie, etc. I agree that the timeline is all over the place. I think Gotham probably isn't sticking to any particular continuity as far as the ages of the characters, so you may have to throw your preconceptions about things like how old Alfred or Gordon is compared to Bruce out the window. I will say I actually like Alfred, because if he started off exactly like the Alfred we've come to know and love with Batman, I'm not sure it would be as interesting or work over the course of a T.V. show. You need a character arc to extend over 22, 44, however many episodes, and his is obviously to grow from a rather prickly, abrasive guy to someone who comes to care about Bruce and his mission.
Definitely looking forward to the next episode. The cast is great, as I mentioned on the podcast. For me the standouts were Donal Logue as Bullock, Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald/Penguin (my favorite!), and surprisingly Jada Pinkett Smith as Fish, who I wasn't expecting much from but was absolutely fierce and fabulous.
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Gotham
Sept 24, 2014 21:25:26 GMT -5
Post by sammiecassell on Sept 24, 2014 21:25:26 GMT -5
I was very pleased, the guy that played Oswald may steal the show, I like the tone and idea of the whole show. Don't know who Ivy Pepper was in the books so I guess she doesn't bother me as bad. LOVED how the girl playing Felicia kinda moves like a cat, subtle and cool.
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Gotham
Sept 25, 2014 8:45:59 GMT -5
Post by dwilliams on Sept 25, 2014 8:45:59 GMT -5
Well, if you've read my recap, you know that I liked it overall. I do think it suffered from hitting you over the head a bit with the references, but as I said on the podcast I think that was done for the benefit of mass audience viewers who may only have a vague memory of that character Danny DeVito played in that one Batman movie, etc. I agree that the timeline is all over the place. I think Gotham probably isn't sticking to any particular continuity as far as the ages of the characters, so you may have to throw your preconceptions about things like how old Alfred or Gordon is compared to Bruce out the window. I will say I actually like Alfred, because if he started off exactly like the Alfred we've come to know and love with Batman, I'm not sure it would be as interesting or work over the course of a T.V. show. You need a character arc to extend over 22, 44, however many episodes, and his is obviously to grow from a rather prickly, abrasive guy to someone who comes to care about Bruce and his mission. Definitely looking forward to the next episode. The cast is great, as I mentioned on the podcast. For me the standouts were Donal Logue as Bullock, Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald/Penguin (my favorite!), and surprisingly Jada Pinkett Smith as Fish, who I wasn't expecting much from but was absolutely fierce and fabulous. Do you think they named her Fish because the Penguin is TOTALLY gonna kill her later in the series? Penguins EAT fish, GET IT??? Also, it's one thing for Alfred to be prickly and abrasive, and it makes sense to behave as such towards the GCPD, but to Bruce? "I know your parents literally just died, but chin up, old chap!" But hey, I'll give it another shot, definitely.
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Gotham
Sept 25, 2014 9:34:29 GMT -5
Post by courtneyk on Sept 25, 2014 9:34:29 GMT -5
Well, if you've read my recap, you know that I liked it overall. I do think it suffered from hitting you over the head a bit with the references, but as I said on the podcast I think that was done for the benefit of mass audience viewers who may only have a vague memory of that character Danny DeVito played in that one Batman movie, etc. I agree that the timeline is all over the place. I think Gotham probably isn't sticking to any particular continuity as far as the ages of the characters, so you may have to throw your preconceptions about things like how old Alfred or Gordon is compared to Bruce out the window. I will say I actually like Alfred, because if he started off exactly like the Alfred we've come to know and love with Batman, I'm not sure it would be as interesting or work over the course of a T.V. show. You need a character arc to extend over 22, 44, however many episodes, and his is obviously to grow from a rather prickly, abrasive guy to someone who comes to care about Bruce and his mission. Definitely looking forward to the next episode. The cast is great, as I mentioned on the podcast. For me the standouts were Donal Logue as Bullock, Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald/Penguin (my favorite!), and surprisingly Jada Pinkett Smith as Fish, who I wasn't expecting much from but was absolutely fierce and fabulous. Do you think they named her Fish because the Penguin is TOTALLY gonna kill her later in the series? Penguins EAT fish, GET IT??? Also, it's one thing for Alfred to be prickly and abrasive, and it makes sense to behave as such towards the GCPD, but to Bruce? "I know your parents literally just died, but chin up, old chap!" But hey, I'll give it another shot, definitely. Ha ha, yes, I actually mentioned that in my recap re: penguins and fish. I agree, it's a bit much, but then again I don't suppose Alfred was probably hired to be a nanny. I would imagine he might be feeling uncomfortable and a little terrified at the prospect of raising this child on his own, and is probably "parenting" the best he knows how. I think Alfred is almost certainly more affected by the deaths of the Waynes than he's letting on, but I think it's part of his character not to show that grief, and he's behaving that way towards Bruce both because he doesn't want to deal with the emotions surrounding their murder and because keeping a stiff upper lip is how he's been trained to handle things. Of course, I could be wrong and he could just be a total asshole! But if I was writing the show that's how I'd approach his motivation.
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Gotham
Sept 25, 2014 20:29:34 GMT -5
Post by Czor on Sept 25, 2014 20:29:34 GMT -5
From what I heard this Alfred is VERY similar to how he was portrayed in the Earth-1 OGN.
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Gotham
Sept 28, 2014 16:19:45 GMT -5
Post by TealProductions on Sept 28, 2014 16:19:45 GMT -5
Very much on the fence about this show.
I really liked the portrayal of Cobblepot after that I'm just not sure yet.
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Gotham
Sept 29, 2014 21:57:01 GMT -5
Post by wamphari on Sept 29, 2014 21:57:01 GMT -5
Ok I liked this episode a little better. Guy playing the penguin is killing it, cat not bad, remains to be seen. I still say that while I like th actor playing bullock, I don't like the character as portrayed here, he just seems like a caraciture. Liked jada pinkett a little less in this one. Remain on the fence about the main lead. Better back up characters in this episode. I think the one thing that could be the downfall of this show could be that you just can't make Gotham too corrupt. I realize it needs to be fairly bent, but if it's to a point of insanity than at some point you lose all sympathy for all the people and it just becomes a less silly sin city.
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Post by courtneyk on Sept 30, 2014 20:51:32 GMT -5
I'm still enjoying it! I think the chemistry between Ben McKenzie and Donal Logue was better in this ep, and I liked seeing how Alfred actually cares about Bruce. Falcone is quietly brutal, I'm interested to see how the conflict between him and Fish plays out, especially once Oswald gets back into town. I remain a charter member of the Robin Lord Taylor fan club - he is so good as Oswald. Carol Kane was a brilliant choice as his mother.
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Gotham
Oct 3, 2014 8:18:00 GMT -5
Post by BatFonz on Oct 3, 2014 8:18:00 GMT -5
Meh, show seems like it isn't sure what it wants to be. Yeah that was my overwhelming feeling watching it. Overall I enjoyed it, I do like Gordon and Cobblepot think the casting there is spot on - the dynamic between Bruce and Alfred is interesting, I'm enjoying the idea that Alfred is completely lost without the Wayne's and becoming Bruce's guardian. Its also interesting to hear him talk about Master Thomas giving clear instructions in the event of their deaths, so they had planned for this, I guess great wealth they would have to have all the legal / wills etc... tied up but this was in relation to guidance for Bruce's upbringing so it was more specific than who gets what shares / inheritance. Again I like the idea that Alfred is far more than a butler to the Waynes, it is a role he plays but I suspect that he was more bodyguard / fixer in the scheme of things. The timeline seems a total mess though, the problem with what seems to be the premise is that Batman is in the world today 2014 and they have jumped back a [?] amount of years so he is 12-13ish and I always guessed Bruce was meant to be eternally 25 maybe 28 so say 15 years. But we seem to have cars from the 80s [and upwards], phones from the 90s [flip phones is da bomb!], music from the late 2000s and then there's the character ages... but I can genuinely overlook all that if they can find their feet with the direction, its fun so far but lacking in episode cliffhangers. Also Barbara seems off to me in personality but she hasn't had much screen time, they seem to be hinting that she and Montoya have had a relationship or at least done a bit of 'exploring their sexuality' together in the past...future jealousy issues for Jim to deal with later perhaps - maybe in this universe it isn't the job that splits them up! So good casting, nice feel / tine to Gotham the place but it needs to decide what it wants to be and also forgot about the blatent Easter eggs, subtlety is what is required and focus more on telling us good, clever detective stories based in this universe weaving familiar faces into them but only when relevant.
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