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Post by Bob Reyer on Mar 15, 2014 10:49:44 GMT -5
Wow, a member of the Fantastic Four loses their powers; never seen that before! Is this what will turn Johnny Storm into a drunk? You'd think he'd have a bit more gumption, having only recently returned from the dead and all?
For me, this opening arc can't be over fast enough, but I fear I'm stuck with at least four more issues in this vein.
For me anyway, I think they should have inker Karl Kesel write this title, as in a previous small sample he did a nice job!
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Post by CaptainSuperior on Mar 15, 2014 12:09:49 GMT -5
Wow, a member of the Fantastic Four loses their powers; never seen that before! Is this what will turn Johnny Storm into a drunk? You'd think he'd have a bit more gumption, having only recently returned from the dead and all? For me, this opening arc can't be over fast enough, but I fear I'm stuck with at least four more issues in this vein. For me anyway, I think they should have inker Karl Kesel write this title, as in a previous small sample he did a nice job! I know Ben has lost his powers a couple times, but for him it has seemed to be a good thing. I don't know if Johnny has ever lost his or not, I have a lack of FF knowledge in that area. The only reason this sort of interest me is because Johnny seems to be the only member that has made the most out of his powers and has attached his personal identity to his power, in a positive fashion, moreso than any of the other memembers. I feel if you take away Johnny's torch powers you take away his self-identity that he has adopted after all these years as the superstar Human Torch. Am I too far off base or does this make some sense?
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Post by Bob Reyer on Mar 15, 2014 12:45:12 GMT -5
Wow, a member of the Fantastic Four loses their powers; never seen that before! Is this what will turn Johnny Storm into a drunk? You'd think he'd have a bit more gumption, having only recently returned from the dead and all? For me, this opening arc can't be over fast enough, but I fear I'm stuck with at least four more issues in this vein. For me anyway, I think they should have inker Karl Kesel write this title, as in a previous small sample he did a nice job! I know Ben has lost his powers a couple times, but for him it has seemed to be a good thing. I don't know if Johnny has ever lost his or not, I have a lack of FF knowledge in that area. The only reason this sort of interest me is because Johnny has seemed to be the only member that has made the most out of his powers and has seems to have attached his personal identity to his power, in a positive fashion, moreso than any of the other memembers. To me it seems if you take away Johnny's torch powers you take away his self-identity that he has adopted after all these years as the superstar Human Torch. Am I too far off base or does this make some sense? Cap'n, I think that you'd be right on target going on the persona established in the newer films or cartoons, but in the comics Johnny has grown up quite a bit, first through the John Byrne era where he was confronted with a fan who took his idolatry too far, and then in the Hickman run where Johnny "died", and in the Fraction follow-up where it was referenced as a turning point for the character. As someone who's watched that growth, I'm said to see it jettisoned, although it is fairly early in the process to judge where it will lead. The Thing has reverted to Ben Grimm more times than I can count (and it hasn't always been to the best result!), Reed's been left powerless more than once, and the whole group has been less than "fantastic" quite a few times, most notably in Fantastic Four #38-#40 where they have to re-take the Baxter Building (with Daredevil's help!) from Doctor Doom. As a (very) long-time reader, I'd much prefer a sunnier beginning to this new edition, or at least something that doesn't smack of retread ground; but of course, your mileage may vary!
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Post by Raider30 on Mar 15, 2014 12:48:22 GMT -5
Wow, a member of the Fantastic Four loses their powers; never seen that before! Is this what will turn Johnny Storm into a drunk? You'd think he'd have a bit more gumption, having only recently returned from the dead and all? For me, this opening arc can't be over fast enough, but I fear I'm stuck with at least four more issues in this vein. For me anyway, I think they should have inker Karl Kesel write this title, as in a previous small sample he did a nice job! Hm...well I don't know for sure about the 1961 run but in the Marvel Knights 4 run I just got done reading the team had their powers nullified, well 3 of the 4 did, when they drank some tea prepared by evil doer Nicholas Scratch(I think that was the name), the father of the Salem Seven. Johnny refused the tea and thus did not lose his powers. You see what I mean though - if as you say, you don't think it has happened before in the main run of FF(and I've no reason to doubt you - your memory on the topic is far superior to mine! ), then they've dropped a major event in the life of Johnny Storm on issue #2. How has any new reader had time to get attached to any of the characters beyond a superficial level? So when I said I didn't have time to care about the characters, that comment was from the perspective of a new reader. Obviously longtime readers of the FF have an attachment to the characters, but still personally I was just like "oh well". Also, while I'm thinking about it, I wish they would spend less time trying to come up with reasons to change the looks of characters, ie. red costumes, and more time focusing on the characters themselves and what has made them great over the years. - Beau
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Post by Bob Reyer on Mar 15, 2014 13:31:43 GMT -5
Beau,
I was attempting to be sarcastic with that opening comment; sorry about that!
I've seen the FF powerless "...more times than you can shake a stick at...if that's your idea of a good time." (Groucho Marx)
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Post by Raider30 on Mar 15, 2014 15:49:53 GMT -5
Beau, I was attempting to be sarcastic with that opening comment; sorry about that! I've seen the FF powerless "...more times than you can shake a stick at...if that's your idea of a good time." (Groucho Marx) Well I certainly thought it sounded a bit off, but I figured "Hey, I'm not gonna argue because I think we are both on basically the same page so far with this new FF." - Beau
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Post by rgsc on Apr 11, 2014 22:14:43 GMT -5
I am catching up with the Fraction Fantastic Four/ FF books & I know the first four issues of both were meant to be read in tandem (at least that is how they are collected). Can any one tell me: is it best to continue reading them from 5 on the same way? Will they make sense if I just read one series at a time?
I am more interested in FF - the tone & the art has been outstanding - and while am enjoying Fantastic Four well enough, I'd just as soon tear through FF and get around to the other series at a later date.
Thanks for any advice you might have.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Apr 12, 2014 8:21:47 GMT -5
I am catching up with the Fraction Fantastic Four/ FF books & I know the first four issues of both were meant to be read in tandem (at least that is how they are collected). Can any one tell me: is it best to continue reading them from 5 on the same way? Will they make sense if I just read one series at a time? I am more interested in FF - the tone & the art has been outstanding - and while am enjoying Fantastic Four well enough, I'd just as soon tear through FF and get around to the other series at a later date. Thanks for any advice you might have. "r", The two series re-connect near the end of Matt Fraction's run, so much so that the final issues of each can be read side-by-side, as each has panels that amplify the story and characters in the other book! That said, you can certainly read through FF and come back to the main Fantastic Four book later!
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Post by rgsc on Apr 12, 2014 12:25:38 GMT -5
I am catching up with the Fraction Fantastic Four/ FF books & I know the first four issues of both were meant to be read in tandem (at least that is how they are collected). Can any one tell me: is it best to continue reading them from 5 on the same way? Will they make sense if I just read one series at a time? I am more interested in FF - the tone & the art has been outstanding - and while am enjoying Fantastic Four well enough, I'd just as soon tear through FF and get around to the other series at a later date. Thanks for any advice you might have. "r", The two series re-connect near the end of Matt Fraction's run, so much so that the final issues of each can be read side-by-side, as each has panels that amplify the story and characters in the other book! That said, you can certainly read through FF and come back to the main Fantastic Four book later! Thank you Bob. Much appreciated! I just read FF#4 - the date issue - one of the best single issues I've in a good while. Cheers rod
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Post by Bob Reyer on Apr 12, 2014 12:52:48 GMT -5
"r", The two series re-connect near the end of Matt Fraction's run, so much so that the final issues of each can be read side-by-side, as each has panels that amplify the story and characters in the other book! That said, you can certainly read through FF and come back to the main Fantastic Four book later! Thank you Bob. Much appreciated! I just read FF#4 - the date issue - one of the best single issues I've in a good while. Cheers rod Rod (nice to "meet" you by name!), That issue was in my year-end list for best "Single Issue"! It so perfectly spoke to Sue and Reed's relationship, and what could have been a better story to release around Valentine's Day!
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Post by Mighty Milton on May 4, 2014 17:02:35 GMT -5
Wasn't issue #3 the greatest! Wow! I've never read anything so original as losing powers before, keep up the great work!
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Post by Raider30 on May 17, 2014 21:04:46 GMT -5
Heyo,
I thought issue #1 was decent enough, but some 'meh' for issues #2 and #3. Issue #4 while not the greatest was decent in my opinion. The art was good. It was also nifty to have the other FF show up to help out. Plus I love the Wrecking Crew, so that was nice. However, I didn't like the fact that The Thing basically got his butt kicked up one side of the street and down the other. Seriously, it's getting old seeing my favorite heroes seemingly forget how to fight in between battles. Also, I'm not sure I like where this story is going with the whole 'trial' thing. Are we out of original ideas here? Seems like every other season some hero is being put on trial for something or other. I love the introduction of villains like the Wrecking Crew, let's have more of that, and less of the drama.
- Beau
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Post by Bob Reyer on May 18, 2014 16:12:45 GMT -5
Heyo, I thought issue #1 was decent enough, but some 'meh' for issues #2 and #3. Issue #4 while not the greatest was decent in my opinion. The art was good. It was also nifty to have the other FF show up to help out. Plus I love the Wrecking Crew, so that was nice. However, I didn't like the fact that The Thing basically got his butt kicked up one side of the street and down the other. Seriously, it's getting old seeing my favorite heroes seemingly forget how to fight in between battles. Also, I'm not sure I like where this story is going with the whole 'trial' thing. Are we out of original ideas here? Seems like every other season some hero is being put on trial for something or other. I love the introduction of villains like the Wrecking Crew, let's have more of that, and less of the drama. - Beau Beau, Wouldn't it have been great to just simply have a knock-down, drag-out, street brawl with both "FF" teams taking on this new Wrecking Crew? I must say that the positive elements in this new issue were good, but they are still over-shadowed by that sense of same-nesss that you're feeling as I am. Hoping that the second arc is more "Fantastic", Bob
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Post by pacino on May 20, 2014 12:20:28 GMT -5
I actually liked the trial thing at the end. I'm guessing She-Hulk will be their lawyer...could set up a great She-Hulk issue
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Post by CaptainSuperior on May 20, 2014 13:31:16 GMT -5
I actually liked the trial thing at the end. I'm guessing She-Hulk will be their lawyer...could set up a great She-Hulk issue Sounds like a cross over in the works lol
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