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Post by Bob Reyer on Jul 1, 2014 13:00:55 GMT -5
www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=102861This cover, quite frankly, looks awful. The face of a small child and an oversexualized anatomy, I mean what kind of warrior poses like that, c'mon! Let's take a strong female character and a great current run and turn it into a cash grabbing melodrama. It is nice that she'll be written by a woman, but I don't think even wonderful words can save that demeaning art. This promises to bring everything wrong with Geoff Johns' Wonder Woman into an ongoing. I have enjoyed Azzarello and Chiang since day 1 and could not be more disappointed. I look forward to being proven dead wrong on this one, but DC's track record has me skeptical. *ahem* I WARNED YOU...I WARNED YOU...BUT DID YOU LISTEN TO ME...OH, NO...
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Post by tomoe on Jul 1, 2014 13:32:53 GMT -5
www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=102861This cover, quite frankly, looks awful. The face of a small child and an oversexualized anatomy, I mean what kind of warrior poses like that, c'mon! Let's take a strong female character and a great current run and turn it into a cash grabbing melodrama. It is nice that she'll be written by a woman, but I don't think even wonderful words can save that demeaning art. This promises to bring everything wrong with Geoff Johns' Wonder Woman into an ongoing. I have enjoyed Azzarello and Chiang since day 1 and could not be more disappointed. I look forward to being proven dead wrong on this one, but DC's track record has me skeptical. *ahem* I WARNED YOU...I WARNED YOU...BUT DID YOU LISTEN TO ME...OH, NO...And here I thought they couldn't diminish Wonder Woman more IN HER OWN BOOK (having already hit rock bottom with Azarello's run)...Now it's pornstar Xenoscope Wonder Woman! God, this is so disheartening. Is it wrong to hope that in 2 years they'll retcon everything so that the real Wonder Woman is in another dimension, the events in the Wonder Woman comic book is a bunch of bedtime stories Zola tells her son and the Wonder Woman who appeared in Justice League, Superman/Wonder Woman, etc. was actually a Durlan pretending to be Wonder Woman?
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jul 1, 2014 15:59:14 GMT -5
Sorry if I seemed flippant with my "Tim the Enchanter" post, but it's my defense mechanism over having my heart broken yet again with news regarding Wonder Woman's treatment by "The Man"! For those of us who are serious, long-time fans of the Amazon Princess, things may have gone from bad to worse! Here's the latest promo image, by the way, which seems to suggest that one of Diana's new supporting cast should be a chiropractor: The only good news is that the Sensation Comics anthology title will be debuting soon (and with a story by Gail Simone!), first digitally and then in August as a regular book!
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Post by scouts1998 on Jul 2, 2014 5:59:58 GMT -5
I wish they put Gail Simone or Marguerite Bennett on it to write.
Also i was at my LCS today and saw some Mike Allred art and thought Mike Allred would without a doubt one of the best wonder woman artists
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Post by scouts1998 on Jul 2, 2014 6:03:48 GMT -5
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Post by Tony on Jul 2, 2014 13:23:39 GMT -5
Oh good lord; so much facepalm, so little time. To a fair degree, as I am someone whose foot resides in his mouth a shocking percentage of each day, I feel sort of bad for the guy, at this point; we all know how easy it is to misspeak when you're not fully-thinking or focusing on what you're saying. Still, what a statement, especially as a presumably thought-out (as much as anything is ever well-thought out on twitter), ostensibly-apologetic response to the initial criticism. 'Cause it can certainly be taken that he's saying that a feminist character cannot also be seen as a human being, or as fallible, or as real (!), that being a feminist precludes a person from also being those other things, that a feminist Wonder Woman (or a feminist anyone-else, presumably myself included, for that matter) can only be a two-dimensional caricature, which is so far beyond ludicrous it's staggering, not to mention more-than a bit insulting. He's fully caught himself in that trap of construing feminism as a pejorative, which is the crux of why people weren't thrilled with his initial comments to being with, as that's a mindset that desperately needs to fade away along with the rest of the outdated socio-philosophical dross of the darker corners of the 20th century. Stunning lack of understanding of the issue at hand. I have no problem believing that it's very possible that he's just misspeaking horribly and doesn't actually mean what he seems to be saying, but when you're going to put yourself out there and have a public discussion of these sorts of things, and when you're one of the people DC's handing this book and character off too, you have to do a little better than that at considering and crafting your soundbites.
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Post by henrythemorerecent on Oct 22, 2014 15:33:17 GMT -5
So the Late-To-The-Game Award goes to..... Meeeeee!
No but I picked up volume one of the Azzarello and Chiang run the other day after hearing that the movie depiction will follow the new 52 origin, so thought it would be good to see for myself before getting all "HOW DARE THEY RA RA RA!"
I'd avoided reading it just because I'd heard such a mixed reaction to it, the good was incredible but the bad was mainly the "how dare they change this and this and this"
But I loved the living hell out of it. I guess its not for everyone. But change is always welcome and after trying to read so many different versions of the character and not enjoying them (even Rucka's and Simone's runs which I didn't enjoy to my shame) it felt the most new New 52 I've read, without years of backstory to reference and depend on and feeling SO seperate from the rest of the DC universe. Feels more like a Vertigo book than a DC superhero book. I guess people will always have a soft spot for gremlins and invisible planes and clay and so on, but this was amazing. I love a good Greek tragedy.
I'll go into issue #36 with an open mind, especially as its a fresh start much like Batgirl and Catwoman, but I love David Finch's art. Yet to prove himself in writing though. We'll see.
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Post by pacino on Oct 23, 2014 7:44:12 GMT -5
Well, he's not writing it, so no worries there. It's Meredith Finch, who we really have no clue about.
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Post by pacino on Oct 23, 2014 7:46:23 GMT -5
I wish they put Gail Simone or Marguerite Bennett on it to write. Also i was at my LCS today and saw some Mike Allred art and thought Mike Allred would without a doubt one of the best wonder woman artists
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Post by TealProductions on Oct 23, 2014 14:43:53 GMT -5
*ahem* I WARNED YOU...I WARNED YOU...BUT DID YOU LISTEN TO ME...OH, NO...And here I thought they couldn't diminish Wonder Woman more IN HER OWN BOOK (having already hit rock bottom with Azarello's run)...Now it's pornstar Xenoscope Wonder Woman! God, this is so disheartening. Is it wrong to hope that in 2 years they'll retcon everything so that the real Wonder Woman is in another dimension, the events in the Wonder Woman comic book is a bunch of bedtime stories Zola tells her son and the Wonder Woman who appeared in Justice League, Superman/Wonder Woman, etc. was actually a Durlan pretending to be Wonder Woman? I have kept up with the entire run of Nu 52 Wonder Woman and I am at a complete loss to find she has been diminished in the book. The sexploitation cover not with standing. Now admittedly I am a very WASP cis-male but what have I missed?
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Post by Bob Reyer on Oct 23, 2014 22:29:00 GMT -5
Re-stating some stuff that I posted up-thread in order to reiterate some of what long-time Wonder Woman fans feel has been lacking in the new 52:
Changing Wonder Woman's origin so that she is now the result of a "one-night-stand" is bad enough, but add to that the other Amazons treating Diana as an imbecile with their taunts of "Clay" because she believes the "fairy tale" of her birth story,which in its original telling might be the most poignant origin in comics history, really hits a false note for me. Additionally, that she seemed more of a supporting character in her own book, her new role as "Goddess of War" (when her entire career was spent trying to overcome Ares!), and then finally the (to my eyes) irredeemable issue #7 (where the Amazons rape and then murder sailors..it's a procreation thing!) have combined to leave me wanting something different.
As has come up regarding the new Batgirl, for me, I'm more connected to portrayals of these characters that hew closer to their core values as either depicted by their creator, or through the vast majority of their history, and the New 52 Wonder Woman did neither, at least for me, whilst in the "Old 52", Greg Rucka, Gail Simone, John Byrne, and especially Phil Jimenez and George Perez all managed to be both modern and respectful at once in their approaches to the Amazon Princess.
As our Mara Wood has said, the Azzarello run might be a good horror story, but to long-time fans it isn't "Wonder Woman". If the book were a sales success on the order of Batman, one could argue that DC made a correct choice in going down this dark road, but as the title is now selling almost exactly what it was before the reboot, why not try a more classic approach this time around, instead of more of the same? DC might be surprised at the outcome!
At least there's Sensation Comics and the up-coming Wonder Woman '77, but it would be nice to have an in-continuity Wonder Woman book that would place her character as the counter-point to the darkness in the DCU, the shining symbol of what could be, instead of just another warrior woman.
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Post by henrythemorerecent on Nov 20, 2014 2:10:26 GMT -5
So..... Just read 36
Never been more nervous about a podcast episode in my life. Because I loved it.
It didn't completely disregard the previous arc like I was expecting it to but it still feels like a fresh start. I thought Meredith Finch's writing was great. But it feels so much like a number 1 that I want to wait until the next issue to really get a grasp of where its going. I also love that it had me looking one way and then POW, went in a completely different direction. WW also feels like more of a main character in this then she did in the entire Azzarello run.
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Post by thephantomwelshman on Nov 20, 2014 7:09:38 GMT -5
I agree, I loved Azzarello and Chiangs run, so went into this with some trepidation. I like the way the issue transitioned from the previous arc into wherever its going on the next issue. Meredith Finch's writing was pretty good, although seemed quite simple in places. I'm sure it will improve issue upon issue, and I actually liked David Finchs artwork in this. Especially the way he draws Swamp Thing. Really glad there run is off to a good start, as I've been really disappointed with Sensational comics so far.
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Post by wamphari on Nov 20, 2014 8:09:04 GMT -5
Sorry guys, Hated it. WW seems like a gueast in her own book and the art was mostly boobs and ass. This'll be my last issue until they change teams again.
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Post by pacino on Nov 20, 2014 9:19:14 GMT -5
paint-by-numbers WW in the DC universe story. The dialogue was pedestrian and the art was static. Guess I'm done with this title.
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