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Post by xtjmac510x on Jan 3, 2014 20:25:46 GMT -5
Well I figured I would open this can of worms up sooner rather than later. Despite not being about comics (as the first two threads have been), I thought that one show that could generate a lot of healthy (and possibly heated) discussion is none other than Sherlock, which just had its 3rd season premiere in the UK (with the US viewers having to wait 3 weeks...or just watching it online like I did).
What do you think of the show? Any topics about it you want to discuss? I'm looking forward to seeing how this thread turns out.
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Post by Almeida77 on Jan 4, 2014 14:31:12 GMT -5
I loved it. Totally fell for the false start but it was charming more than annoying I just smiled and enjoyed being duped. I like that there wasn't really an answer and loved that the episode's B plot wasn't how he did it but how the world reacts to it whatever the answer is. There was obviously a lot of frustration from Stephen Moffat from fan reaction to many Doctor Who episodes during his time as showrunner and this was a clever way for him and Mark Gatiss to comment on that and also talk about the big issue of television and entertainment in general in out age.
The fact that we are an on demand generation with the technology to get pretty much anything we want at any time or place means that we have this insatiable thirst for bigger better and more intelligent entertainment. The pitfall of that is that we will never be happy with what we get because we have so much choice and so many different approaches to storytelling that not everyone is going to be satisfied with an answer because it doesn't match up to the fifteen other shows they just watched.
A major problem the vocal majority had with Lost (I loved every second of the show btw) was that the ending wasn't what they expected. The problem is thought is that it can never be. It was the ending that Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse made the story THEY wanted to tell and they ended it the only way that would satisfy them. Same with Moffat & Gatiss here. As any creator you have to stick with what you want, obviously there are producers and editors trying to get their two cents in but at the end of the day you can't answer to them anymore than you can to the fans. Those who enjoy it enjoy it, those who don't will always piss and moan so the only thing to do is just ignore them till they quiet down.
I did LOVE the guy who was playing THE INTERNET. He was what we were all doing up to that very moment but of course Sherlock is always right and the fact is it doesn't matter how he did it. The one of however many ways he told THE INTERNET guy that it happened may have been the truth, made the most sense, but I don;t really care. They may very well come back to it by episode three's end but I would much rather that be the end of it and we enjoy the next two episodes without the burden of having to figure out whether he told the truth or not.
Oh and I totally marked out when Derren Brown showed up. I'm convinced one day he'll reveal his whole professional career has just been one massive trick and he is really someone else entirely.
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Post by xtjmac510x on Jan 4, 2014 16:41:39 GMT -5
Yeah it was an absolutely brilliant series premiere. Given the two year wait I was expecting big things and it really seemed to deliver, even though we never did get a full resolution on the case from the episode or why they wanted to kidnap John. Still that's what the other two episodes are for. I thought the two theories both held ground (in one way or another) but I'll be interested to see whether or not we actually get a real answer from Sherlock, seeing as how it WAS one of seven theories he had about how to fake his death. And who WAS that bespectacled man?
I went back and rewatched the series from the beginning before watching the premiere and it seems the show has only gotten better with time. Though I do wonder what Sherlock saw in Molly's fiance. What is he hiding?
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Post by inhuman on Jan 4, 2014 18:14:42 GMT -5
I loved and hated it. It definitely wasn't the weakest episode of the show so far, but it was by no means close to the strongest. I'm passing it off as simply a character development episode. I absolutely cannot wait to see Lars Mikkelsen, if he is anything like his brother in Hannibal we are going to see one dashing villain.
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Post by xtjmac510x on Jan 4, 2014 21:24:33 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what IS the weakest episode of the series, in your opinion? I've enjoyed all the episodes so far, but there are some that are certainly better than others and I'm curious to see if we share an opinion there.
I get the love/hate aspect of it, my cousin who I watched it with was very conflicted by it, but I agree, it was more of a means to an end rather than a cohesive whole, hence the open ending. It was made to expand and challenge the relationship between John and Sherlock (more so John) and reestablish a status quo for the rest of this series as well as the next one.
And yes, Lars is awesome. He will be fantastic. Mark my words.
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Post by inhuman on Jan 4, 2014 23:21:18 GMT -5
My least favourite episode was definitely The Blind Banker, but even then it was a good episode.
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Post by xtjmac510x on Jan 4, 2014 23:59:12 GMT -5
Yeah I'd probably agree and say that it was my least favorite as well. But Sherlock at it's least is still better than a good majority of the programs out there right now.
Meanwhile A Scandal In Belgravia is probably my favorite so far with The Reichenbach Fall being a close second.
One thing I know for sure, I'm definitely looking forward to the next episode. What a wedding that will be.
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Post by inhuman on Jan 5, 2014 0:02:35 GMT -5
Oh yeah I loved The Reichenbach Fall immensely. I agree completely that Sherlock at its worst is still a million times better than the majority of stuff out there. I feel like more stories should be told in the 3 episode hour and a half format that Sherlock uses.
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Post by xtjmac510x on Jan 5, 2014 0:11:32 GMT -5
As a huge Sherlock Holmes nut (I read it all as a child and have re-read it numerous times) I adored The Reichenbach Fall. It spoke to me on so many levels. Heck, Series 2 in general was just a masterclass in how to do a well told story.
I agree on the format as well and wonder why more shows don't do that. I know that over here we usually tend to run with the 13/22 episode structure with the shows running at 22-44 minutes in length (with Breaking Bad and Sons of Anarchy getting 90 min for important episodes) so it differs than the UK format where series run 5-8 episodes but I think that more shows should utilize Sherlock's structures. Each episode feels like a movie and holds its own importance. Even though there are only 3 episodes, you're still getting 240 minutes of amazing drama. If only more shows did that.
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Post by hellocookie on Jan 5, 2014 15:59:21 GMT -5
I went back and rewatched the series from the beginning before watching the premiere and it seems the show has only gotten better with time. Though I do wonder what Sherlock saw in Molly's fiance. What is he hiding? It wasn't that he's hiding anything, it's that Molly found a guy was more or less just Sherlock, but a cheap knock-off. This episode was the weakest of the series for me. I love Sherlock a lot and I expected more. I know that they had to explain him coming back but the rest of the story and the mystery just seemed to come second to that plot and it felt rushed to me. My FAVOURITE episode though is the S2 E1 with Irene Adler (I think that was S2 E1...?). SO GOOD.
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Post by inhuman on Jan 5, 2014 16:02:47 GMT -5
I went back and rewatched the series from the beginning before watching the premiere and it seems the show has only gotten better with time. Though I do wonder what Sherlock saw in Molly's fiance. What is he hiding? It wasn't that he's hiding anything, it's that Molly found a guy was more or less just Sherlock, but a cheap knock-off. This episode was the weakest of the series for me. I love Sherlock a lot and I expected more. I know that they had to explain him coming back but the rest of the story and the mystery just seemed to come second to that plot and it felt rushed to me. My FAVOURITE episode though is the S2 E1 with Irene Adler (I think that was S2 E1...?). SO GOOD. That is exactly how I felt about the episode, it just felt very rushed. The Sherlock knock off was the best part of the episode.
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Post by xtjmac510x on Jan 5, 2014 16:35:03 GMT -5
I went back and rewatched the series from the beginning before watching the premiere and it seems the show has only gotten better with time. Though I do wonder what Sherlock saw in Molly's fiance. What is he hiding? It wasn't that he's hiding anything, it's that Molly found a guy was more or less just Sherlock, but a cheap knock-off. This episode was the weakest of the series for me. I love Sherlock a lot and I expected more. I know that they had to explain him coming back but the rest of the story and the mystery just seemed to come second to that plot and it felt rushed to me. My FAVOURITE episode though is the S2 E1 with Irene Adler (I think that was S2 E1...?). SO GOOD. Yeah A Scandal In Belgravia is S2 Ep 1. It's my favorite as well. Such a great episode. Didn't even register that he looked like Sherlock the first time I saw it. Then again it was 3 in the morning so my judgement was a bit cloudy. That and there was a LOT of things happening in the episode, kind of hard to keep up with everything. I guess my hesitancy towards Tom also lies with the fact that Molly has a Debra Morgan-esque taste in men. Last guy she dated turned out to be Moriarty. What does that say? Who knows who Tom really is. He could just be normal too I think that this episode was more set-up rather than pay-off. I think that's why it wasn't as good as some people were hoping. I think the rest of the series, and probably Series 3 as a whole will work better once everything is finished.
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Post by xtjmac510x on Jan 6, 2014 2:39:47 GMT -5
Well Series 3 Episode 2 is out now. The wedding of Dr. John Watson to Mary Morstan with Sherlock Holmes as the best man. What were your thoughts on the episode and do you think it was a good follow up to The Empty Hearse?
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Post by inhuman on Jan 6, 2014 4:55:52 GMT -5
Well Series 3 Episode 2 is out now. The wedding of Dr. John Watson to Mary Morstan with Sherlock Holmes as the best man. What were your thoughts on the episode and do you think it was a good follow up to The Empty Hearse? I loved this episode, Sherlocks best man speech was so moving and what a great example of friendship that was. The little vignettes of the cases they worked were icing on the cake.
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Post by xtjmac510x on Jan 6, 2014 14:24:59 GMT -5
Well Series 3 Episode 2 is out now. The wedding of Dr. John Watson to Mary Morstan with Sherlock Holmes as the best man. What were your thoughts on the episode and do you think it was a good follow up to The Empty Hearse? I loved this episode, Sherlocks best man speech was so moving and what a great example of friendship that was. The little vignettes of the cases they worked were icing on the cake. Agreed, I really enjoyed the episode as well. One thing I'm noticing though is this season is really focused on character building/growing/development rather than solving the case of the day (with overarching themes) like the last two series. It's different but I'm enjoying it so far. The next episode is going to be fantastic just based on the teaser I saw.
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