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Post by BarefootRoot on Jul 10, 2015 4:30:11 GMT -5
The multiverse will continue in some form as they have already said that Spider Gwen is going back to her own universe. somethign about her not working out of her own world's context. Is Spider Gwen going back to her own universe or is it going to retro-active story that explores her origin. I thought I read somewhere that the new series will explore her and the Peter's (her universe) history. That wouldn't necessarily mean her returning to her universe. I know the first arc is going to be a flashback to that story, but I think that's just for that arc. here's where I read her universe continues to exist: www.blastr.com/2015-6-24/marvel-announces-fate-spider-gwen-plus-what-could-be-massive-secret-wars-revealhere's the big quote from Jason Latour from it: "The main focus of our first arc is on Gwen Stacy’s continuing adventures within her own universe (Earth 65), it’s pretty essential to who this Gwen Stacy is to have her own supporting cast and villains and problems," writer Jason Latour told IGN. "But Spider-Gwen was born out of a multiversal crossover event so the opportunity to hop around has always been present and honestly is just too fun to resist. So yeah, bouncing over to the 616 now and then is something we’re eager to explore too."
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Post by toxicsooner on Jul 10, 2015 8:11:02 GMT -5
Root, Thanks for the clarification. I didn't see that, so now I am completely confused and I have no idea where the outcome of secret wars is going to lead (not that I really knew anyways). Oh well, I can honestly say that despite my reservations I've been enjoying it. I hope it can continue its momentum through the conclusion.
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Post by jonathansoko on Jul 10, 2015 15:31:28 GMT -5
I love Robinson and Kirk, they are one of my favorite teams. But I have as little interest in squadron supreme as possible. I own the old series, and i don't have much nice to say about it, so i will refrain from commenting on it. I will wait for Bob to speak on it, then i will give it a shot if he gives the green light. Its going to take something phenomenal for me to enjoy a SS book. But hey, you never know. Im counting on you uncle bob! Jonathan, I do love the original Mark Gruenwald 12-issue maxi-series of Squadron Supreme, but I'm less devoted to subsequent runs. I plan to give the new one a try, more for the creative team than for any hope of a continuance of the original themes. I'll be sure to post a reaction here...and hopefully before you've wasted any time or money! I absolutely love robinson and kirk together. In my humble opinion they are one of the very few current "modern" era artists and writers that i put up there with the all time greats like byrne and clairmont and adams and o'neil. So i will probably give it a shot anyways. I have faith in them. It won't be the first time a series filled with characters i don't like at all, i enjoy anyways.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jul 10, 2015 17:23:57 GMT -5
Jonathan, I do love the original Mark Gruenwald 12-issue maxi-series of Squadron Supreme, but I'm less devoted to subsequent runs. I plan to give the new one a try, more for the creative team than for any hope of a continuance of the original themes. I'll be sure to post a reaction here...and hopefully before you've wasted any time or money! I absolutely love robinson and kirk together. In my humble opinion they are one of the very few current "modern" era artists and writers that i put up there with the all time greats like byrne and clairmont and adams and o'neil. So i will probably give it a shot anyways. I have faith in them. It won't be the first time a series filled with characters i don't like at all, i enjoy anyways. Jonathan, With who-knows-what the NuMU will really be like, there's a chance that the Squadron might have some cleaning up to do, which could make for some interesting conflicts, not only within their membership, but with the world outside. I think it worth my taking at least an issue to see!
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Post by jonathansoko on Jul 10, 2015 17:48:51 GMT -5
very very true. Also, anything Kirk draws is worth the price of admission. His FF was a thing of beauty.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jul 10, 2015 17:52:41 GMT -5
very very true. Also, anything Kirk draws is worth the price of admission. His FF was a thing of beauty. Jonathan, Once the Robinson/Kirk FF turned to the "rise" instead of the fall, it was absolutely superb in both story and art, I thought!
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Post by jonathansoko on Jul 11, 2015 15:49:35 GMT -5
very very true. Also, anything Kirk draws is worth the price of admission. His FF was a thing of beauty. Jonathan, Once the Robinson/Kirk FF turned to the "rise" instead of the fall, it was absolutely superb in both story and art, I thought! I was in from issue 1, not knowing any of what was to come.... because i was familiar with Robinson. It was dark in the beginning, but that wasn't reason for me to curse it. It is a fine example of what comics can truly be. Excellence.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jul 11, 2015 18:25:22 GMT -5
Jonathan, Once the Robinson/Kirk FF turned to the "rise" instead of the fall, it was absolutely superb in both story and art, I thought! I was in from issue 1, not knowing any of what was to come.... because i was familiar with Robinson. It was dark in the beginning, but that wasn't reason for me to curse it. It is a fine example of what comics can truly be. Excellence. Jonathan, As you probably heard me kvetch on-air, my complaint was more about the length of time it took Mr. Robinson to get to the turn-around than the story itself; sadly I truly believe that de-compressing that arc led to lessened sales through reader defections, and might possibly have been a factor in the book going on hiatus, despite the monthly sales being around 30k. For me, the second half of the story was as you say, with a marvelous finale by Messers Robinson & Kirk that was truly worthy of some of the iconic creators whose work has graced this title in the past.
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Post by mlazic on Jul 12, 2015 21:00:21 GMT -5
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Post by toxicsooner on Jul 12, 2015 22:17:49 GMT -5
I was in from issue 1, not knowing any of what was to come.... because i was familiar with Robinson. It was dark in the beginning, but that wasn't reason for me to curse it. It is a fine example of what comics can truly be. Excellence. Jonathan, As you probably heard me kvetch on-air, my compliant was more about the length of time it took Mr. Robinson to get to the turn-around than the story itself; sadly I truly believe that de-compressing that arc led to lessened sales through reader defections, and might possibly have been a factor in the book going on hiatus, despite the monthly sales being around 30k. For me, the second half of the story was as you say, with a marvelous finale by Messers Robinson & Kirk that was truly worthy of some of the iconic creators whose work has graced this title in the past. Not to butt in on your conversation, but we seem to be intersecting quite a bit on the topic of fantastic 4. I started my journey into F4 with Hickman and have been reading the Byrne and Robinson runs at the same time. I have been enjoying all for different reasons. I am still waiting for the conclusion of the Robinson run, since I am reading it through unlimited, but I have to agree my primary reason for giving squadron Supreme a shot is the the creator group. I really liked Robinson's run because it did a good job of 1) providing enough background to make me feel like I knew the characters and 2) it has challenged the characters without making it seem gimicky,,,, BTW, I'm up to 241 on Byrnes run and it has been really fun. I have noticed from reading early ASM, X-Men and F4, there is more dialog than in more recent books. Maybe it's just me but I kinda like it, I feel more in the heads of the characters.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jul 12, 2015 23:09:14 GMT -5
Jonathan, As you probably heard me kvetch on-air, my compliant was more about the length of time it took Mr. Robinson to get to the turn-around than the story itself; sadly I truly believe that de-compressing that arc led to lessened sales through reader defections, and might possibly have been a factor in the book going on hiatus, despite the monthly sales being around 30k. For me, the second half of the story was as you say, with a marvelous finale by Messers Robinson & Kirk that was truly worthy of some of the iconic creators whose work has graced this title in the past. Not to butt in on your conversation, but we seem to be intersecting quite a bit on the topic of fantastic 4. I started my journey into F4 with Hickman and have been reading the Byrne and Robinson runs at the same time. I have been enjoying all for different reasons. I am still waiting for the conclusion of the Robinson run, since I am reading it through unlimited, but I have to agree my primary reason for giving squadron Supreme a shot is the the creator group. I really liked Robinson's run because it did a good job of 1) providing enough background to make me feel like I knew the characters and 2) it has challenged the characters without making it seem gimicky,,,, BTW, I'm up to 241 on Byrnes run and it has been really fun. I have noticed from reading early ASM, X-Men and F4, there is more dialog than in more recent books. Maybe it's just me but I kinda like it, I feel more in the heads of the characters. Jason, You're more than welcome to join in, so don't fret! Having had the chance to speak to James Robinson at the NYCC, he displayed a great love for the characters and the history of the Fantastic Four, so it's a shame that he won't get the opportunity to move forward on the book. I'm hoping that Squadron Supreme can fill that "team" slot that Robinson & Kirk do so well! ps) JB's FF is second only to Lee Kirby in my mind, so I'm not surprised you're digging it! rrr
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Post by jonathansoko on Jul 14, 2015 13:45:23 GMT -5
I was in from issue 1, not knowing any of what was to come.... because i was familiar with Robinson. It was dark in the beginning, but that wasn't reason for me to curse it. It is a fine example of what comics can truly be. Excellence. Jonathan, As you probably heard me kvetch on-air, my complaint was more about the length of time it took Mr. Robinson to get to the turn-around than the story itself; sadly I truly believe that de-compressing that arc led to lessened sales through reader defections, and might possibly have been a factor in the book going on hiatus, despite the monthly sales being around 30k. For me, the second half of the story was as you say, with a marvelous finale by Messers Robinson & Kirk that was truly worthy of some of the iconic creators whose work has graced this title in the past. We live in the age of decompressed books. So Robinson building up the story in the time and issues he did, didnt bother me because i knew he wasn't going to just trash the FF and leave him for the vultures. (if he did i would have probably been on the news acting irrationally surrounded by a mountain of Guiness bottles.) From the second issue i got the vibe that this is what is long term goal would be. In my opinion his story came out in the best way i think possible. I would't go back and change a thing because it would change the impact that it had. It would be unfair for me to take points off a book because the author wrote the story he wanted to. When i read books, i'm not worried about it losing readers, why would I if i am enjoying it? Jason Aaron took 8 months to build up and pay off with his Jane Foster Thor. I can't knock him for decompressing his story. I loved how it played out. Both stories kept me wanting. I think Robinson did a find job of knocking the FF down and then gloriously building them up. If he did it in less space he would have sacraficed crucial story telling and ultimatley i think alot of people would have criticized him for clearing it up too quickly, if he had chosen that route.
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Post by Bob Reyer on Jul 15, 2015 7:10:10 GMT -5
Jonathan, As you probably heard me kvetch on-air, my complaint was more about the length of time it took Mr. Robinson to get to the turn-around than the story itself; sadly I truly believe that de-compressing that arc led to lessened sales through reader defections, and might possibly have been a factor in the book going on hiatus, despite the monthly sales being around 30k. For me, the second half of the story was as you say, with a marvelous finale by Messers Robinson & Kirk that was truly worthy of some of the iconic creators whose work has graced this title in the past. We live in the age of decompressed books. So Robinson building up the story in the time and issues he did, didnt bother me because i knew he wasn't going to just trash the FF and leave him for the vultures. (if he did i would have probably been on the news acting irrationally surrounded by a mountain of Guiness bottles.) From the second issue i got the vibe that this is what is long term goal would be. In my opinion his story came out in the best way i think possible. I would't go back and change a thing because it would change the impact that it had. It would be unfair for me to take points off a book because the author wrote the story he wanted to. When i read books, i'm not worried about it losing readers, why would I if i am enjoying it? Jason Aaron took 8 months to build up and pay off with his Jane Foster Thor. I can't knock him for decompressing his story. I loved how it played out. Both stories kept me wanting. I think Robinson did a find job of knocking the FF down and then gloriously building them up. If he did it in less space he would have sacraficed crucial story telling and ultimatley i think alot of people would have criticized him for clearing it up too quickly, if he had chosen that route. Jonathan, I whole-heartedly agree that Mr. Robinson's story, taken as a twelve-issue whole, is very affecting, and wonderfully done. You're also correct that our own perceptions of how "good" or "bad" something is shouldn't be dependent on sales figures, but as the biggest champion in these parts for the Fantastic Four (although you're coming up quickly "on the left"!), I just want to see the book have the best chance to succeed commercially, so that it can always remain a cornerstone title in the Marvel landscape, hence my concerns. Having spoken to Mr. Robinson at NYCC:SE, I know of his love for the FF, and he seemed genuinely saddened at not being able to continue his run with Leonard Kirk, which to me, could have ended up as one of the "special" ones!
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Post by jonathansoko on Jul 16, 2015 9:17:53 GMT -5
We live in the age of decompressed books. So Robinson building up the story in the time and issues he did, didnt bother me because i knew he wasn't going to just trash the FF and leave him for the vultures. (if he did i would have probably been on the news acting irrationally surrounded by a mountain of Guiness bottles.) From the second issue i got the vibe that this is what is long term goal would be. In my opinion his story came out in the best way i think possible. I would't go back and change a thing because it would change the impact that it had. It would be unfair for me to take points off a book because the author wrote the story he wanted to. When i read books, i'm not worried about it losing readers, why would I if i am enjoying it? Jason Aaron took 8 months to build up and pay off with his Jane Foster Thor. I can't knock him for decompressing his story. I loved how it played out. Both stories kept me wanting. I think Robinson did a find job of knocking the FF down and then gloriously building them up. If he did it in less space he would have sacraficed crucial story telling and ultimatley i think alot of people would have criticized him for clearing it up too quickly, if he had chosen that route. Jonathan, I whole-heartedly agree that Mr. Robinson's story, taken as a twelve-issue whole, is very affecting, and wonderfully done. You're also correct that our own perceptions of how "good" or "bad" something is shouldn't be dependent on sales figures, but as the biggest champion in these parts for the Fantastic Four (although you're coming up quickly "on the left"!), I just want to see the book have the best chance to succeed commercially, so that it can always remain a cornerstone title in the Marvel landscape, hence my concerns. Having spoken to Mr. Robinson at NYCC:SE, I know of his love for the FF, and he seemed genuinely saddened at not being able to continue his run with Leonard Kirk, which to me, could have ended up as one of the "special" ones! Yeah I understand how you feel. It is depressing that ff at its lowest this past year, outdid a good amount of marvels core titles! How frustrating is that for us big ff fans??!
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Post by wylietimes on Aug 5, 2015 14:10:40 GMT -5
Anyone else excited for the new Black Knight series by Tieri and Pizzari. This is going directly to my pull list.
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