Post by angelus104 on Apr 27, 2015 21:07:37 GMT -5
No worries about sounding angry, alot of what you're saying/asking is true. But there's a also a missunderstanding of written words which is a staple of forum posts/comments/tweets/texts. First of all I re-read my original comment here and its clear it came across as me saying you guys "constantly complain", when what I meant was the general audience who complains about the dark gritty/sympathetic villain thing. And then also bringing up its a comment made by you guys on the podcast. Sorry for coming across as "You guys whine about everything". But it has been a topic for discussion on this show. I was simply saying that its good to see something that generally bothers you guys to actually work in a show, getting a positive reaction. I listen to your podcast because I value your differing opinions.
In regards to the review episodes etc, don't worry I've heard them all and agree completely. I know about Iron Man 3 and Bobs thoughts. I agree with you about Winter Soldier. All I meant by saying I was very interested in hearing this future episode is because, personally and also from the reactions I've seen since the limited release AoU has had overseas, its a film that... Okay its hard for me not to get spoilery here. I explained all these thoughts in the AoU thread but marked it spoiler. But basically many of the character decisions and set pieces consist of things that, again, are things that have only been met with negativity in other comics book movies. Especially Man of Steel.
Now speaking completely personally, I have loved and enjoyed the Marvel films since the beginning. But also love MoS and where that universe is headed. But since that films release, there has been a very distinct "Marvel vs DC" attitude that has bothered me. At first I was very Switzerland about it because I never understood the competition in the first place. But then slowly I found that I, personally, was met with hostility when simply stating I enjoyed Man of Steel and my reasons why. Both in person and online. A very "No it sucks and you're wrong attitude" and its the unfortunate coincidence that it came from people who are extreme Marvel fans only. But this has kept on happening. And I see it directed elsewhere, not just on myself. My LCS deal with it in droves of customers. A combination of general public hype and comic book fan passion has turned Marvel into more than just a movie people can enjoy, its the be all and end all. I never said "Marvel zombies". But there is loud, LOUD voice of pretty much "Marvel or GTFO". And anything else that comes out from any other studio or publisher has to cower in its shadow by comparison.
I don't want anyone to enjoy anything less. I don't mean I want people to love anything less because of its flaws. Every movie has flaws. I don't want to dislike either side of the comic-verse. I'm a very "Can't we all just get along" person. But its the constant having to defend my taste rather than just discuss it thats tiring. I can't simply say to someone "Oh man I loved that movie" without them retaliating with "No you are wrong and here's why." And it always comes down to Marvel vs DC.
I don't know, similar thoughts came up with regards to the Batgirl variant. You can't expect everyone to have read and know everything thats ever come before. But there is a respect that is seriously lacking. I have not read every comic or seen every movie. I'm 24 years old. Not exactly experienced in comics. But if there is an announcement, character choice, costume change, etc I make damn sure I do some research before saying "Thats against everything this character stands for and its stupid!" And I know, I know, take what "the internet" says with a grain of salt. But its difficult listening to blind, one-sided shouting without having a problem with it.
Anyway. Pretty sure I rambled nonsensically. Never meant to come across as making this personal or labelling you guys as anything. I was speaking broadly.
One sided ranting is always an issue, and I agree with you that it can be very frustrating. There will always be an us vs. them mentality when it comes to companies doing similar things. Look to video games for a similar scenario. But it's important to remember that not all critiques are meant to convey a hatred of something.
I think for any of us who dislike MOS it comes because we love Superman so much and have big issues with how he's portrayed. I would say the biggest disappointments come from those of things that you have a deep affection for.
The people who just hate to hate cant be reasoned with. Remember you are in a place that welcomes big discussions. Use that. If you love MOS or something else that seems unpopular write about why you love it, not why people should dislike other stuff. A big part of bridging the gap on the net is not trying to push people around, but to rise above.
I can tell from our short interactions that you have a good head on your shoulders and mean well. Embrace that stuff and keep on rocking
